X Factor 2009!
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
He was clearly lying about wanting them out of the contest, and about leaving the country if they win. It's all publicity nonsense. If he wanted rid of them so badly, he'd have voted them off. But they've been good for the show, so they stay.It would serve Simon right if the twins went and won it now.
I'm really cross!
Only I think they'll loose their sheen now that people realize his ire was put on.
It's not a singing competition. It's barely even a competition -- the existence of the competitive element really just exists to provide a framework.
I heard a fascinating R4 interview with Simon Cowell, in a programme about the changes in modern media since the law was changed to give the rights to the content provider rather than the distributor about 10 years ago. He was speaking about his learning curve as regards doing these programmes.
See, originally he thought that the programme was a good vehicle for providing exposure for his pop acts. So (in the Pop Idol days) he was genuinely seeking the best pop star he could. He aggressively marketed them on the show, to maximise record sales.
Then at some point during the second series of X-factor, he was looking through his revenue streams and realised that he had it the wrong way round. It was the show that was the star, not the singer. It was the show that could be scaled, franchised and earn him huge money. An act would never be more than a few record sales, whereas the telly franchise was global.
At that point, he realised that he needed to use the acts to market the show rather than the show to market the acts. And that's all about controversy, PR and disagreement. It's a panto.
So when you watch it, remember that Simon Cowell doesn't care who wins. He just wants there to be entertainment and controversy. He wants the show to be in the news. And he is really, really, really good at it.
Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that he is actually bothered about his acts! You're lucky if he can remember their names.
I heard a fascinating R4 interview with Simon Cowell, in a programme about the changes in modern media since the law was changed to give the rights to the content provider rather than the distributor about 10 years ago. He was speaking about his learning curve as regards doing these programmes.
See, originally he thought that the programme was a good vehicle for providing exposure for his pop acts. So (in the Pop Idol days) he was genuinely seeking the best pop star he could. He aggressively marketed them on the show, to maximise record sales.
Then at some point during the second series of X-factor, he was looking through his revenue streams and realised that he had it the wrong way round. It was the show that was the star, not the singer. It was the show that could be scaled, franchised and earn him huge money. An act would never be more than a few record sales, whereas the telly franchise was global.
At that point, he realised that he needed to use the acts to market the show rather than the show to market the acts. And that's all about controversy, PR and disagreement. It's a panto.
So when you watch it, remember that Simon Cowell doesn't care who wins. He just wants there to be entertainment and controversy. He wants the show to be in the news. And he is really, really, really good at it.
Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that he is actually bothered about his acts! You're lucky if he can remember their names.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
That's kind of approprite cos I can see them starring in one of those cheesy breakfast ads!
Maybe in the best bit of cross-over tv ever they could make pants man work!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
All true, but i'm sure he's rubbing his hands together when they manage to turn up a Leona Lewis. The show still has it's original use as well. It might not be the prime aim right now, but it still exists.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Lucie deserved to go home just for the fact that she sung with bare feet
She doesn't sing with bare feet, I think you are confusing her with last year!
Sure. But she's still small fry compared with the money generated by the show. The X Factor is in (at least) twenty countries. Cowell makes a healthy profit from them all.
Britain consumes something like 6% of the world's media and yet (at some level) generates at least 50% of it. It's one of our biggest industries. The existence of one little singer doesn't even scratch its surface. (Deal or No Deal is actually in more countries than the UN and at its peak was making more than £2m per day. Now that's success!)
Besides, one Leona Lewis has turned up in six series. Cowell isn't going to sit around hoping that another turns up, particularly when he can already see that his current crop are no-hopers.
I could get worse. I could point out, for example, that Cowell has complete ultimate control of the whole programme. He can basically choose who goes out each week just by song choice -- give someone a shitty song and they won't get votes. Then he decides which of the bottom two gets the boot.Kabbes can you stop ruining it please
The whole thing is as tightly controlled as you would expect from something run by someone who has created a media empire from one small office. Arguing about who should have gone on the grounds of being the "better singer" is missing the wood for the trees.
Miss Potter
hates mice
did anybody see Louis giving the audience a 2-fingered salute last night?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Again true, but that's only looking at the financial side of it. I'm sure that there another side where the kudos that comes with being associated with 'finding' people like Leona Lewis comes into it - he's already made more money than he'll ever be able to spend. I'm sure he'd like a record for being some sort of uber-talent maker as well. Of course, when there's fuck all talen there like this year...
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
I thought I saw that too! I haven't read the thread but I watched the 2 x factors back to back last night and I am SO happy Jedward are staying.
I love them with all my heart and I actually think their faces are beautiful, they look like porcelain dools, I love them.
Olly is still sexy and I love him too.
Joe can fuck off with his weird smile, I've realised he smile sbecause there are too many teeth in his mouth, smiling is the only way to let them out, when he has his mouth shut he looks really uncomfortable and his teeth are fighting ot get out. Not in a buck tooth way, in a weirdy shiny white way.
Lucy was boring I'm glad she's gone and her outfit looked like it was from River Island.
Who else was there? I forget. Oh yeah Danyl still makes me sick.
RubyBlue
faded and jaded
^
me too why does Danyl make you sick though? He seems ok out of the bunch of no-hopers left.electrogirl
dignity is overrated
^
Because he has obviously been told 'oh danyl, how can I be angry with those big brown eyes?' and he thinks thay make people melt so when the judges say bad things he really looks forlorn and like bambi when his mum got shot and it's so fake it makes me sick stop feeling sorry for yourself and your songs are naff and overblown and too mechanical and stagey and no feeling and I want you OUT.
RubyBlue
faded and jaded
I think he's really unattractive, his songs are naff but his voice is ok. Jamie makes me laugh - when the contestents have to sing together doing some silly little poppy number - he has to sing and smile and look like he's enjoying it when it's clear he fucking hates it
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
The best bit of Jedward's performance was 'save me edward!'' I laughed so hard.
I also felt so exhilerated when they went through last night, Lucy sung a boring song in a boring way like a boring dead eyed boring face.
I also felt so exhilerated when they went through last night, Lucy sung a boring song in a boring way like a boring dead eyed boring face.
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
I think he's really unattractive, his songs are naff but his voice is ok. Jamie makes me laugh - when the contestents have to sing together doing some silly little poppy number - he has to sing and smile and look like he's enjoying it when it's clear he fucking hates it
The group number at the begininning is one of my favourite bits because it is SO cheesorama and they obviously aren't very good at miming yet so they over compensate with cheesey winks and grins and looking at eachother like 'hey yeah go girl!'
God I love X Factor so much.
I think Jamie is so shit though and he only got through because of his hair and his hair is shit anyway.
Danyl looked nicer with shorter hair through I thought.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
My favourite bit was them bouncing around in the fake car. Totally fucking brilliant.
I like them now. I didn't at first.
Apart from them, Olly and Stacey they're a bunch of no-mark fucks.
I like them now. I didn't at first.
Apart from them, Olly and Stacey they're a bunch of no-mark fucks.
Voley
🐀
It is funny that everyone's still voting for that pair of twats, I must admit. I doubt they'll survive next week, though - I think someone who can actually sing losing out to them will turn the public against them.
The talky bits in their songs manage to make me cringe and howl with laughter at the same time.
The talky bits in their songs manage to make me cringe and howl with laughter at the same time.
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
I know, I don't understand how anyone can NOT like them, and I love how their perfomances get more and more elaborate and ridiculous every week.
Why did marshmallow man have such an angry face? That was weird.
Anyway the 2 best things about them are:
1) they are really shit and dancing and singing and everything
2) they do not know this
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
Yeah I like Olly and Stacey,the rest of them are total balloon faces.
Voley
🐀
And John said 'OMG I can't believe I've just sung Ghostbusters on X Factor' like he'd just been handed the fucking Nobel Peace Prize or summat. And Edward is 'always distracted'. They gain points for this, I think.
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
Oh god, do you knwo what made me feel ill was stupid Jamie dryhair at the end of his perdormance gasping and crying like 'OMG I was SO amazing, i'm moved by myself! I've actually moved myself with my own singing!"
Here's the thing I REALLY don't understand about X Factor:
In the first few weeks in particular, you have some completely boring non-entity sing a completely boring song in an completely boring way. Often seriously out of tune, never with any real feeling and overall just completely "meh".
So here's the thing I don't understand: who is bothering to phone up and vote for these lossers?. I but seriously -- they get, like, thousands of votes. It can't just be friends and family. Who is the numpty that actually likes them so much and cares so much that they pay their own hard-earned to phone up and vote?
I don't get that at all. I can just about understand somebody being invested enough to want a semi-decent singer to win by the end of the show. But I don't understand at all who was voting for Lucie, say, in Week 2.
In the first few weeks in particular, you have some completely boring non-entity sing a completely boring song in an completely boring way. Often seriously out of tune, never with any real feeling and overall just completely "meh".
So here's the thing I don't understand: who is bothering to phone up and vote for these lossers?. I but seriously -- they get, like, thousands of votes. It can't just be friends and family. Who is the numpty that actually likes them so much and cares so much that they pay their own hard-earned to phone up and vote?
I don't get that at all. I can just about understand somebody being invested enough to want a semi-decent singer to win by the end of the show. But I don't understand at all who was voting for Lucie, say, in Week 2.
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
I don't know why voting makes someone a numpty.
