Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[Lord Camomile]

Jake Corke ‏@JakeCorke
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Before any slates the EDL blacks an pakis are in it, there all for this country an getting the respect we deserve as a nation #edl

Stay classy...

 

[Pickman's model]

Was thinking more of likely venues for someone with Nigerian roots to be radicalised rather than directed from. There's talk of Al-Shabaab now instead.

and no mention in your post that nigeria is in west africa and al-s more commonly associated with somalia on, er, the east coast. but you'll be along in a moment to say you knew that all along.

 

[8115]

I'm watching that. He was talking about things in "our land". I didn't know that Nigeria had a significant recent violent past.

Or Western intervention. But maybe he is talking more about other (nearby?) African countries. My knowledge/ geography of the continent isn't great.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm watching that. He was talking about things in "our land". I didn't know that Nigeria had a significant recent violent past.

no surprise there. from six hours ago: http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/international/At-least-23-killed-in-central-Nigeria-violence_66182279

 

[JHE]

I'm watching that. He was talking about things in "our land". I didn't know that Nigeria had a significant recent violent past.

Nigeria has a significant violent present.

When the Islamic gentleman talks of "our land" he is referring to lands dominated by Islam (Dar ul-Islam), not only or especially those parts of Nigeria that are dominated by Islam.

 

[lizzieloo]

Just did a search on Twitter for "mosque", calls all over twitter for mosques to be burned.

There are voices of reason though

threatening mosques, insulting entire faiths, and making generalisations doesn't make you patriotic. It makes you a moron.

https://twitter.com/BrettBall

 

[Pickman's model]

what no 'byob'? for shame

 

[kenny g]

When he talks of "our land" I assumed he referred to the land of the muslims. The fact he may be of Nigerian origin probably has a lot less to do with anything than the Al-Maj currents he has been mixing in.

 

[thriller]

it's too cold to be marching outside this time of night.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nigeria has a significant violent present.

When the Islamic gentleman talks of "our land" he is referring to lands dominated by Islam (Dar ul-Islam).

do keep up.

 

[Stoat Boy]

Seems unlikely - I'm guessing more 'let's go kill a soldier -> ok, where's the nearest barracks' really.

I am sure you are right but surely an attack on a solider at say Horseguards parade or some such would make more sense from the PR front ? Its obvious they wanted the world to know why they did it but there is very little real kudos in running some poor sod over and then hacking him to death. Attack a solider up in the West End and the world knows about it. But in Woolwich ? Potentially just next weeks chip paper.

 

[8115]

no surprise there.

No idea what that means.

 

[thriller]

i really want to follow this thread but need to go to bed. got to get up at 6 tomorrow

 

[stuff_it]

it's too cold to be marching outside this time of night.

It's ok, they all have warm wooly hats.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am sure you are right but surely an attack on a solider at say Horseguards parade or some such would make more sense from the PR front ? Its obvious they wanted the world to know why they did it but there is very little real kudos in running some poor sod over and then hacking him to death. Attack a solider up in the West End and the world knows about it. But in Woolwich ? Potentially just next weeks chip paper.

you haven't been watching the news today, have you?

 

[spanglechick]

you have a combination of a very poor area (unlike much of london, you've got to go a bloody long way (the other side of greenwich) to find a posh bit), and ethnic tension which you don't get in, say, peckham, because of the proximity to the long-term BNP heartlands. growing up in such an area, would, i imagine, create fertile grounds for becoming radicalised.

 

[stuff_it]

I am sure you are right but surely an attack on a solider at say Horseguards parade or some such would make more sense from the PR front ? Its obvious they wanted the world to know why they did it but there is very little real kudos in running some poor sod over and then hacking him to death. Attack a solider up in the West End and the world knows about it. But in Woolwich ? Potentially just next weeks chip paper.

In case you hadn't noticed the world does know about it.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Has just occurred to me, if EDL mob get out of hand, this will just be more ammo ('scuse the pun) to support the police and their requests for water cannon

 

[Pickman's model]

No idea what that means.

you said you weren't aware that nigeria has a rather bloody recent past. i said your ignorance didn't surprise me. do you understand that?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Wankers

 

[stuff_it]

Ongoing reports of attacks on Muslims: https://twitter.com/TellMamaUK

 

[Pickman's model]

Has just occurred to me, if EDL mob get out of hand, this will just be more ammo ('scuse the pun) to support the police and their requests for water cannon

no it won't.

 

[8115]

you said you weren't aware that nigeria has a rather bloody recent past. i said your ignorance didn't surprise me. do you understand that?

I didn't think there was any need for it.

 

[lizzieloo]

you have a combination of a very poor area (unlike much of london, you've got to go a bloody long way (the other side of greenwich) to find a posh bit), and ethnic tension which you don't get in, say, peckham, because of the proximity to the long-term BNP heartlands. growing up in such an area, would, i imagine, create fertile grounds for becoming radicalised.

For both "sides"

 

[Dillinger4]

i really want to follow this thread but need to go to bed. got to get up at 6 tomorrow

same

 

[kenny g]

The EDL mob appears to have fizzled from 100 to ten to fuck all.

 

[spanglechick]

For both "sides"

oh absolutely.

 

[BlackArab]

Has just occurred to me, if EDL mob get out of hand, this will just be more ammo ('scuse the pun) to support the police and their requests for water cannon

it's not the water cannon that has me worried right now

 

[Frumious B.]

George Galloway has tweeted

"This sickening atrocity in London is exactly what we are paying the same kind of people to do in Syria"