Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")
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kenny g
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html is one amazing story. That woman has real guts.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
They probably voted for Armenia
Frumious B.
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That piece is well worth a read
Cub scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett selflessly engaged the terrorists in conversation and kept her nerve as one of them told her: “We want to start a war in London tonight.”
Mrs Loyau-Kennett, 48, from Cornwall, was one of the first people on the scene after the two Islamic extremists butchered a soldier in Woolwich, south east London.
She was photographed by onlookers confronting one of the attackers who was holding a bloodied knife.
Ingrid Loyau-Kennett
Mrs Loyau-Kennett was a passenger on a number 53 bus which was travelling past the scene, and jumped off to check the soldier’s pulse.
“Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.
“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body’.
“So I thought 'OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?’
“I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British solider and I said really and he said 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there.”
Moments earlier, the killers had hacked at the soldier “like a piece of meat”, and when Mrs Loyau-Kennett arrived on the scene they were roaming John Wilson Street waiting for police to arrive so they could stage a final confrontation with them.
She said: “I started to talk to him and I started to notice more weapons and the guy behind him with more weapons as well. By then, people had started to gather around. So I thought OK, I should keep him talking to me before he noticed everything around him.
“He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk, he was just distressed, upset. He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do.
I said 'right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?’ and he said I would like to stay and fight.”
The suspect in the black hat then went to speak to someone else and Mrs Loyau-Kennett tried to engage with the other man in the light coat.
She said: “The other one was much shier and I went to him and I said 'well, what about you? Would you like to give me what you have in your hands?’ I did not want to say weapons but I thought it was better having them aimed on one person like me rather than everybody there, children were starting to leave school as well.
Mrs Loyau-Kennett was not the only woman to show extraordinary courage. Others shielded the soldier’s body as the killers stood over them.
MPs praised the “extraordinary bravery” of the women and raised concerns about why it took armed police 20 minutes to arrive at the scene while people’s lives were at risk.
According to a security source the delay in the armed police response is “particularly surprising” because there is a heavily armed police presence at Woolwich Crown Court, which is just two and a half miles away.
Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs select committee, said: “We are all grateful for the local people who responded so quickly.
“I do want to pay tribute to them [members of the public] – I think what
they have done is extraordinarily brave and courageous.
“It shows the spirit of London that people are just not prepared to allow an attack of this kind. I pay tribute to what they have done.”
Patrick Mercer MP, a former army officer and former shadow counter terrorism minister, paid tribute to the people who shielded the body of the soldier.
He said: “This is courage of the highest order, it sounds as if these members of the public are not soldiers, not policemen, not people whose duties demand this, they are extremely courageous people and that courage deserves to be recognised at the highest level.”
Robert Buckland, a Conservative member of the justice select committee, said: “It it is the case [that police took 20 minutes to arrive] it is very worrying. If there was any unwarranted delay then that that needs to be investigated.”
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meh
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The Americanization of Britain is four heels
The responses are great though
5t3IIa
Registered User
They have them over here... Every time you walk down the bastard street it's all you see.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Oh no, I know, that wasn't directed at you, just following on from the point.I meant more eyewitnessing than action but anyway, sorry
Like red rose says, you feel like you should do something, but I've honestly no idea what. I could go down there and shake my fist and shout "go away you rotters", but it would be as ineffectual as it sounds. If there was something I thought would make an actual impact I might... fuck it, I probably wouldn't. Bit of a coward when it all comes down to it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Put on some Madness and challenge them to a dance off?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't know that shaking your fist at armed plod would do much good.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Oh, you...
skyscraper101
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EDL are out on the streets in Woolwich
Channel 4 news freelancer has some on video here:
http://telly.com/ONNC8D
Channel 4 news freelancer has some on video here:
http://telly.com/ONNC8D
Frumious B.
Well-Known Member
C4 News draws parallels with a 2007 plot to behead a soldier in Birmingham http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwich-attack-chilling-echoes-of-a-previous-plot
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bummed by karmachameleon
Horrible event on so many levels. Must admit to being rather taken aback by just how strong the reaction has been from people who I would not have considered to be the types to be yelling for blood and revenge. Oddly enough, despite my own right wing stance on many levels, in someways I see what happened today as having at least some level of justification or at least more so than those scumbags who blew up the Tube trains on July 7th 2005. These men killed a solider. It was barbaric and everything else but they did not then go on to just kill anybody else around them. I hope they get banged up for ever and have a shit time of it because they are still cowardly bastards but in the wider scheme of things I can why this is somehow different to what has happened in the past.
However I also sense, and its just pure instinct, that there is the potential for a massive back-lash over this. Even more so than if it had been an attack on civilians. For a lot of white working class people there is a strong link with the armed forces and as such, allied with a whole host of other reasons/paranoia (delete as per your own political stance/class), there seems to be a strong almost primal response to this, at least from what I am seeing in my own social media world.
I would guess the next 48 hours are crucial. Get through that without a major event and maybe this will just fade away but given the political response with COBRA and so on my own assumption (and it is just that) is that I would assume a senario such as this must have been gamed out in some detail and that its down as one with a real potential for kicking off a whole series of public disorder events. Lets just hope it rains in a lot of places.
However I also sense, and its just pure instinct, that there is the potential for a massive back-lash over this. Even more so than if it had been an attack on civilians. For a lot of white working class people there is a strong link with the armed forces and as such, allied with a whole host of other reasons/paranoia (delete as per your own political stance/class), there seems to be a strong almost primal response to this, at least from what I am seeing in my own social media world.
I would guess the next 48 hours are crucial. Get through that without a major event and maybe this will just fade away but given the political response with COBRA and so on my own assumption (and it is just that) is that I would assume a senario such as this must have been gamed out in some detail and that its down as one with a real potential for kicking off a whole series of public disorder events. Lets just hope it rains in a lot of places.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Recognise the pub, that St. George's flag is always flying. Always wanted to think it didn't mean what it would now appear to mean.
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Don't forget to discuss Turkey's withdrawal in response to the lesbian kiss.
skyscraper101
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silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
Give me the definitive calm the fuck down or fuck off status to put on my Facebook 50% of my friends have broken through the thin crust of modern values they exhibit and are ranting dreadful knee jerk racist shit
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's an auld naval signal meaning 'here be rascists'
Recognise the pub, that St. George's flag is always flying. Always wanted to think it didn't mean what it would now appear to mean.
I've only read up to this post before replying, so apols if it's been dealt with already, but why've you got such a downer on crackheads?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what about something like 'dreadful kneejerk racist shit is still racist' or similar.
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