Windrush Square, Brixton - news and discussion
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teuchter
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Oh my days!
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i counted nine people sat on chairs at about 10.30 by the way
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at £10m, that's over a million quid per person
at £10m, that's over a million quid per person
quimcunx
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4000 sixpences!
quimcunx
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Only if the square only existed for the time it took you to count the people.
teuchter
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That is scandalous.
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i counted 19 on the chairs on sunday! 
section106
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Value for Money
Jesus Christ!!!
Six pages and numerous post on semantics ! !
In order to know if a project represents value for money, we don't only need to know how much it has costed, but also what were the aims of the project and if those aims have been achieved. It is too soon to evaluate the success of Windrush Square, so all you are saying, guys, doesn't have any sense until some more time passes and then you can do a proper evaluation.
I doubt, nevertheless, that TFL and the council have embarqued on such a a project without making the appropiate studies/research and proving "a priori" that will represent value for money. After all, everything that attracts funding nowadays must be effective, efficient and economic (represent value 4 money).
However, I think it will prove to represent value for money. For a start, it looks better than before. It's also easier to walk through the square now. Late at night, it feels safer than before. Street drinkers dont gather in there anymore, etc...
The project aimed to create a safe, high-quality public space. The rationale behind was to avoid those "collectives perceived as threatening" to gather in groups. Thats why there are no benches and chairs are grouped in a maximum of three. I think its called "designing out crime". Another aim was to give the square an identity, to promote sociability (everytime I pass by there is quite a lot of people on the grass enjoying the sun), and to ease people's movement.
Jesus Christ!!!
Six pages and numerous post on semantics ! !
In order to know if a project represents value for money, we don't only need to know how much it has costed, but also what were the aims of the project and if those aims have been achieved. It is too soon to evaluate the success of Windrush Square, so all you are saying, guys, doesn't have any sense until some more time passes and then you can do a proper evaluation.
I doubt, nevertheless, that TFL and the council have embarqued on such a a project without making the appropiate studies/research and proving "a priori" that will represent value for money. After all, everything that attracts funding nowadays must be effective, efficient and economic (represent value 4 money).
However, I think it will prove to represent value for money. For a start, it looks better than before. It's also easier to walk through the square now. Late at night, it feels safer than before. Street drinkers dont gather in there anymore, etc...
The project aimed to create a safe, high-quality public space. The rationale behind was to avoid those "collectives perceived as threatening" to gather in groups. Thats why there are no benches and chairs are grouped in a maximum of three. I think its called "designing out crime". Another aim was to give the square an identity, to promote sociability (everytime I pass by there is quite a lot of people on the grass enjoying the sun), and to ease people's movement.
editor
hiraethified
Not sure why it's "easier" to walk through the square, but could you describe the key elements of its new "identity," please?
Crispy
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Because the lo-level walls around the big tree, and the fences round the grass, have been removed.
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hiraethified
Not sure that I ever found them to be such a huge impediment myself.
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good for you
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
33 seats?
I counted them twice
22/7/10 @ 23:37
15 (approx) seats occupied
no turd action
and quite a few people milling about, though they might have been waiting for a bus
15 (approx) seats occupied
no turd action
and quite a few people milling about, though they might have been waiting for a bus
They had spray wagons on the square 2 or 3 mornings last week, firing their high pressured jets at the stained concrete/nice stone/pisssurface. Worryingly, despite the presence of multiple vehicles, many clipboarded officials and men in high visibility jackets, they never seemed to get much past the Ritzy. It could be Brixton's equivalent of the Forth Bridge at that rate.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What do you mean exactly? How does it change?
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hiraethified
Haven't you seen it? It goes from stone to brick as you step down from the area outside the Ritzy into the wide open expanse close to the road (to the right, below). It's clearly designed to mark a different zone of some sorts.
I wouldn't be surprised if a motorist accidentally drove over that part, to be honest.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's a different material to the roadway. And you'd have to go over the kerb. I'm not going to lose any sleep over people accidentally driving onto the square on account of it having a non-uniform paving material (which is hardly unusual).
I'd have thought you'd be in favour of having differently paved areas - what with the complaints about the uninterrupted "expanse" of posh non-concrete.
I'd have thought you'd be in favour of having differently paved areas - what with the complaints about the uninterrupted "expanse" of posh non-concrete.
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hiraethified
Is understand now that you are on some sort of bizarre, near-religious mission to defend just about every aspect of the new square design, but other people's opinions are just as valid, you know, and I don't like the way that open expanse feels like it's part of the road. My girlfriend feels the same, too.
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