Why no contactless/Oyster card payment outside London?

[Pickman's model]

There isn't anyone clamouring to be spied. You only get tracked if you register your card.
And I'm not a liberal myself, though I can't speak for the others who have posted.

oh don't talk bollocks.

1) all oyster journeys are tracked;
2) all ticket barriers are covered by cctv;
3) the passage of an individual oyster card through a barrier or onto a bus is caught on cctv;
4) if you add money by debit or credit card you might as well have registered your oyster card.

 

[Orang Utan]

oh don't talk bollocks.

1) all oyster journeys are tracked;
2) all ticket barriers are covered by cctv;
3) the passage of an individual oyster card through a barrier or onto a bus is caught on cctv;
4) if you add money by debit or credit card you might as well have registered your oyster card.

ok, but that doesn't mean anyone is clamouring for surveillance.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you wear gloves when handling coins so as not to leave fingerprints on them?

being as i think the question you mean to ask is 'how do you travel in that there london without an oyster card' the answer is 'with a travelcard'. as i have said here on previous occasions.

https://www.inverse.com/article/22198-london-surveillance-theresa-may-cctv-terrorism-future-cities

 

[Pickman's model]

ok, but that doesn't mean anyone is clamouring for surveillance.

demanding contactless solutions like oyster IS clamouring for surveillance, as it is core to the entire project.

 

[Orang Utan]

demanding contactless solutions like oyster IS clamouring for surveillance, as it is core to the entire project.

well i did say in the OP that there should also be a cash alternative

 

[bi0boy]

being as i think the question you mean to ask is 'how do you travel in that there london without an oyster card' the answer is 'with a travelcard'. as i have said here on previous occasions.

They have magnetic strips. I hope you have a tin foil wallet to store them.

 

[EastEnder]

oh don't talk bollocks.

1) all oyster journeys are tracked;
2) all ticket barriers are covered by cctv;
3) the passage of an individual oyster card through a barrier or onto a bus is caught on cctv;
4) if you add money by debit or credit card you might as well have registered your oyster card.

Do you travel everywhere on foot, wearing a Clouseau-esque disguise?
Or do you only ever venture out at night and skulk through sewer pipes in your quest to evade the Man?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Because outside of London only poor people use public transport.

 

[Orang Utan]

Because outside of London only poor people use public transport.

i think you mean in the countryside rather than outside London

 

[Puddy_Tat]

i think you mean in the countryside rather than outside London

isn't everywhere outside london the countryside?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you travel everywhere on foot, wearing a Clouseau-esque disguise?
Or do you only ever venture out at night and skulk through sewer pipes in your quest to evade the Man?

no

next

 

[gosub]

had it in Edinburgh for years

 

[ffsear]

Contactless smartcards on the railways of Great Britain - Wikipedia

 

[Orang Utan]

Contactless smartcards on the railways of Great Britain - Wikipedia

railways being the operative word.
we get buses to get around cities mostly

 

[Bungle73]

A problem of privatisation and lack of interconnectivity I reckon.

Once oystered my way onto a train from Croydon to Gatwick only to get fined when getting off at Gatwick for not having a ticket. That was annoying

You've been able to use an Oyster card to travel to/from Gatwick for some time. But in your case why would you expect to travel far outside of the GL boundary with what is a TfL specific product? You wouldn't expect to travel all that way with a paper Travelcard would you?

its only cheap with oyster or contact less pay, before going onto apple pay, it was costing me £4.90 for 1 stop on the tube compared to £2.90 which is pretty disgusting really

It's hardly "disgusting". There is zero need for 99% of people to purchase a cash fare.

 

[Orang Utan]

You've been able to use an Oyster card to travel to/from Gatwick for some time. But in your case why would you expect to travel far outside of the GL boundary with what is a TfL specific product? You wouldn't expect to travel all that way with a paper Travelcard would you?


It's hardly "disgusting". There is zero need for 99% of people to purchase a cash fare.

still shit to rip people off just cos they don't know the system

 

[Bungle73]

still shit to rip people off just cos they don't know the system

Considering LUL runs at a loss it's hardly being ripped off.

If I travel to a new city I make damn sure before I go I know what the arrangements for public transport travel are before I go. I went to Newcastle a few years ago, and I planned to use the Metro, so I looked up what ticket I would need, and what it was valid for, beforehand.

 

[ska invita]

You've been able to use an Oyster card to travel to/from Gatwick for some time. why would you expect to travel far outside of the GL boundary with what is a TfL specific product? You wouldn't expect to travel all that way with a paper Travelcard would you?

yes i did expect it (to work).
how was i to know they dont have card readers in gatwick?
and now they do you say, so it wasnt such a crazy assumption

 

[Orang Utan]

Considering LUL runs at a loss it's hardly being ripped off.

it running at a loss doesn't make it not a rip off

 

[Orang Utan]

If I travel to a new city I make damn sure before I go I know what the arrangements for public transport travel are before I go. I went to Newcastle a few years ago, and I planned to use the Metro, so I looked up what ticket I would need, and what it was valid for, beforehand.

Not everyone is as obsessed with public transport as you. and foreign tourists can hardly be blamed for not being up to speed.

 

[keybored]

I had to make a three bus journey from Wraysbury to Hillingdon last week because I lost my car key.
1 - 14 minute journey £3.60 (First Bus)
2 - 13 minute journey £1.50 (TfL)
3 - 10 minute journey £FREE (TfL)

Must be why you Londoners get stung so hard for rent, you save a fortune on public transport.

 

[Pickman's model]

I had to make a three bus journey from Wraysbury to Hillingdon last week because I lost my car key.
1 - 14 minute journey £3.60 (First Bus)
2 - 13 minute journey £1.50 (TfL)
3 - 10 minute journey £FREE (TfL)

Must be why you Londoners get stung so hard for rent, you save a fortune on public transport.

yeh but you should see how much we have to pay for replacement car keys too

 

[maomao]

Considering LUL runs at a loss it's hardly being ripped off.

If I travel to a new city I make damn sure before I go I know what the arrangements for public transport travel are before I go. I went to Newcastle a few years ago, and I planned to use the Metro, so I looked up what ticket I would need, and what it was valid for, beforehand.

I bet you had a wank afterwards.

 

[Mogden]

Trent Buses here in Derby use Mango cards which is just an Oyster for their buses. Makes bus travel quite a bit cheaper and the daily cap tops out at a fiver rather than the £6 day ticket. I can also use it on the trams in Nottingham.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Trent Buses here in Derby use Mango cards which is just an Oyster for their buses. Makes bus travel quite a bit cheaper and the daily cap tops out at a fiver rather than the £6 day ticket. I can also use it on the trams in Nottingham.

trent / barton (or at least the parent company) is the current franchised operator of the Nottingham tram.

Nottingham does (or did) have an all operators travelcard sort of thing.

Local transport authorities were given powers some time during the Blair government to introduce multi-operator tickets, but not all have tried (especially in areas where county councils were abolished and replaced by balkanised unitary councils, the areas are too small to match the areas people travel within)

And operators still have the right to offer something that's just for their own buses

Competition law is not very helpful towards different bus operators coming to deals to accept each others' tickets and that sort of thing.

 

[Bungle73]

yes i did expect it (to work).
how was i to know they dont have card readers in gatwick?
and now they do you say, so it wasnt such a crazy assumption

Why? When it's a London thing.

Did you think you could travel to Edinburgh on it too?

 

[ska invita]

Why? When it's a London thing.

Did you think you could travel to Edinburgh on it too?

good trolling
anyhow i hope what you said is true about how you can now go on a oyster, as im sure that'll come up again at some point

 

[Mogden]

trent / barton (or at least the parent company) is the current franchised operator of the Nottingham tram.

Nottingham does (or did) have an all operators travelcard sort of thing.

Local transport authorities were given powers some time during the Blair government to introduce multi-operator tickets, but not all have tried (especially in areas where county councils were abolished and replaced by balkanised unitary councils, the areas are too small to match the areas people travel within)

And operators still have the right to offer something that's just for their own buses

Competition law is not very helpful towards different bus operators coming to deals to accept each others' tickets and that sort of thing.

Yes there was a co-operative ticket that allowed you to travel in the Derby boundary but on Trent and Arriva buses, the two main bus companies, but I think it's been discontinued.

 

[Bungle73]

good trolling
anyhow i hope what you said is true about how you can now go on a oyster, as im sure that'll come up again at some point

I'm not trolling. I'm just wondering where else you thought you could go with it?

 

[ska invita]

I'm not trolling. I'm just wondering where else you thought you could go with it?