I heard music playing in there the other day. Maybe decorators or something, but something going on inside.
Having popular nearby pubs can be a positive sometimes as it means you've got already people walking past!The way lease prices are going (and have been for a while), I find it difficult to imagagine anyone managing to make it work, even less so with two well-functioning pubs already operating on its doorstep.
Having popular nearby pubs can be a positive sometimes as it means you've got already people walking past!
The location is great: on the main drag, right next to a busy station and multiple bus routes with plenty of footfall - but the useless bunch that ran the place actively put people off going in.90% of people that chanced upon the Hart and came in would turn around and go back out again....
Got a bit better when the Golum took over, and then reverted back at the end when the Irish fella had it...
The Tulse Hill Hotel has proved it is possible to attract a whole load of new punters to a pub that had for decades previously been a complete dive avoided by the very people who frequent it nowadays. But of course it required a (presumably) very costly refurbishment.90% of people that chanced upon the Hart and came in would turn around and go back out again...
It appears that someone’s taking it on...
Amazing!I've unearthed an obscure fact too - American alternative rock band Galaxie 500 played their first UK show at the White Hart!
If you look at the Railway & Knowles they're much bigger. Perhaps it's just not viable as it is anymore. I was wonder how the Elm Park Tavern runs but perhaps has lower costs. Don't tend to go there anymore because they changed the furniture, floor and put in tiles and now you can't hear what anyone's saying
Elm Park is on its second owners since it reopened. The current lot seem more like the normal pub landlords than the King & Co hipsters (I like both). Seems busy enough but then I guess it's hard to know if that means profitable enough
I suspect that it will take trade off the Tulse Hill Tavern too, but the Railway will be fine: they've got a really loyal crowd and have a unique offering.Great news it appears the White Hart is on its way back.
Unless anything has changed in the past two years, the building itself is owned by a family rather than any big firm. They wanted to rent it out for around £70k - £90k per year (can't remember the exact figure) which I thought was quite a lot, given the size - or sell it for around £2.5m. Could have been vulnerable, so good to hear a pub is the plan.
I've been inside the upstairs and cellar etc. It does need some work/investment. There's big rooms upstiars which could be used for B&B or for staff to live there. There's an upstairs kitchen (on the small side) so food is a possibility. There's even a small roof terrace, though I'm not sure they could open it to the public unless they did a bit of safety work.
Given the apparent costs involved, I'm not expecting a straight replacement for the White Hart - a locals pub with cheapish beer, sports on the telly etc.
Whatever it's like, I imagine they would take some trade off the Tulse Hill Hotel, because it's right outside the station and much easier to get to without crossing loads of busy roads.
There's big rooms upstiars which could be used for B&B or for staff to live there.
Probably if they can’t be bothered to refurbish/soundproof/make safe & comply with H&S and HMO regs they’ll punt them out to staff.Does any pub do the decent thing these days, and let their staff live above the pub for free/peppercorn rent? Id have thought in London, that would be the last thing on their minds, and would rent out the rooms at 'market value' to subsidise the pubs income.
In which case I think there'll be music and dancing on some level2am licence
And the individual named in the application is the landlord of the Prince of Peckham. .
The only way it would take any trade off the Tulse Hill Hotel is if it's given the full gentrification treatment. The type of demographics you see at the THH are not going to switch- or even ocassionally patronise- any other pub that is not broadly similar.I suspect that it will take trade off the Tulse Hill Tavern too, but the Railway will be fine: they've got a really loyal crowd and have a unique offering.
From my expereince of going there Prince of Peckham has done the miraculous - its a smart modern pub welcoming to all that has kept the locals in, and has kept its BAME punters.
Hard to know how its done that - partly through its music policy perhaps - but whatever it is, it bodes pretty well for the White Hart
compare with the incarnation of that pub before that: some people from Upper Street who came down, "smartened" it and had to shut within a year or two (i forget how long now)