Whatever happened to 'Swampy' ?

[Artaxerxes]

Do they have any public support over this? Trying to hinder a public railway? I hope they are safe but really, fuck their cause.

From what I can tell only a small percentage of this country wants to build anything ever.

Unless it's a road, roads are fine for the most part. Unless it's dangerously useful like replacing the one lane near Stonehenge with something that can cope.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do they have any public support over this? Trying to hinder a public railway? I hope they are safe but really, fuck their cause.

There's railways and railways. The costs of this one make it for me one to oppose.

 

[TopCat]

There's railways and railways. The costs of this one make it for me one to oppose.

You are not going to go all Stig of the dump and live down a collapsing shit hole though.

 

[Pickman's model]

You are not going to go all Stig of the dump and live down a collapsing shit hole though.

No. But I wish those who have done all the best.

 

[TopCat]

No. But I wish those who have done all the best.

I cant bring myself to. I was never ever a supporter of the road protests other than abstractly thinking future roads were less likely to be built (a good thing mostly).
I only went on RTS demos for the craic and a barney with plod.

 

[Pickman's model]

I cant bring myself to. I was never ever a supporter of the road protests other than abstractly thinking future roads were less likely to be built (a good thing mostly).
I only went on RTS demos for the craic and a barney with plod.

I have nothing against building railways usually, I'm a great fan of expanding the network to its extent pre-beeching and would like high speed trains like they have on the continent. But not at the cost of so much of what remains of ancient woodland. So what I'm saying is a rather liberal this could be done better with a different route or upgrading the existing lines. Frankly I don't understand why so much devastation is needed or is desirable juat so you can get to get to Birmingham a few minutes faster.

 

[Bus Honeygun]

I don't doubt there's an environmental case to be made against HS2 (I'm lukewarmly for it myself), but this still seems an odd issue to make a stand on and the timing is wrong.

 

[hitmouse]

I mean, I'm not about to go down a tunnel myself or anything, but considering how under-resourced a lot of the existing rail infrastructure in the North (and I'm sure this also goes for the Midlands) is, it does really piss me off that someone decided that the big infrastructure project we really need is "more trains going to London, but more expensive".

 

[Artaxerxes]

I mean, I'm not about to go down a tunnel myself or anything, but considering how under-resourced a lot of the existing rail infrastructure in the North (and I'm sure this also goes for the Midlands) is, it does really piss me off that someone decided that the big infrastructure project we really need is "more trains going to London, but more expensive".

They really fucked up the advertising and start of it, its a 2 phase build but they should have started in the north rather than the south because the way this fucking country works you end up with two possibilities in work like this a) you find the budget ends up withdrawn by the time it gets past Birmingham or b) the environmental pressure groups kill it before it reaches Birmingham as ever increasing publicity and legal costs fuck it over.

Kicking projects in from north to south means you stop this cycle of "everything is just for the Southerners" happening.

Its main benefit is going to be splitting out high speed trains from the standard commuter trains, which will mean safer journeys, less delays for those trains. Alongside freeing up lines to actually move freight.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't doubt there's an environmental case to be made against HS2 (I'm lukewarmly for it myself), but this still seems an odd issue to make a stand on and the timing is wrong.

It's not just environmental devastation, Euston has lost streets and streets. I don't doubt the same thing is happening the length of the route. the entire thing stinks.

 

[two sheds]

HS2 activist who evaded bailiffs leaves Euston tunnels

Lazer Sandford came out voluntarily while other protesters against the rail scheme continue to resist eviction

www.theguardian.com

Lazer Sandford had locked himself underground where an eviction team at the London station had been trying to remove him for 25 hours

An environmental campaigner who had locked himself underground in tunnels dug near Euston station in London has evaded an HS2 eviction team who had been trying to remove him for about 25 hours.

The team had been digging around Lazer Sandford, 20, to try to release him from his lock-on – a metal “arm tube” surrounded by a concrete casing.

However, before they could get to work on the next stage of removing him, cutting through the arm tube in order to remove the lock altogether, he escaped and, taking the tube with him, headed back into the tunnels.

Other activists said he was now enjoying “a well-earned break”.

have to admire the dedication - fucking hell I wouldn't like to be in one of those tunnels