Watchmen

[The Groke]

ZACK SNYDER, what in bibbling blue intrinsic field subtracted fuck were you doing with Dreiberg and Jupiter? Have you not been having sex recently? Was it that important?

Perhaps it was for the best that It was censored for me then...

 

[rhod]

Just started watching the Watchmen "Motion Comic", which seems to have been done rather well.

Haven't got the patience to view CBR comics, but this carries you along with the story nicely.

 

[Upchuck]

methinks you missed the point a little.

Was the point he was no longer in action and had let himself go to pot and was kind of aimless and meandering through life?

 

[Balbi]

Was the point he was no longer in action and had let himself go to pot and was kind of aimless and meandering through life?

Yep. Dreiberg's fucking useless without the Nite Owl costume on.

 

[belboid]

just got tickets to see it tonight, my expectations having been sufficiently lowered (both by this thread and the other Moore movies).

Kermode reviewed it ion the Culture Show last night, and was distinctly underwhelmed. they did show the old interview with him tho, from when V was released, which was well worth a view

 

[Cid]

My sister just told me about the ending... Why the fuck would they do that? WHY?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

they did show the old interview with him tho, from when V was released, which was well worth a view

You mean V was well worth a view or the interview from when V was released was well worth a view?

If A = Latter then reply = Interview with who? Kermode? Why show an interview about the V film? Eh?
If A = Former then reply = Are you nuts, that film is utter shite.

 

[ExtraRefined]

My sister just told me about the ending... Why the fuck would they do that? WHY?

Because the original ending required an entire subplot which wouldn't fit in a film already 3 hours long.

Overall it was decent but not great, although Veidt was appauling - completely hammed up, the line "do you think I'm some sort of saturday morning supervillan" was rather inviting the response "yes".

 

[Balbi]

Nah, you coulda done it. Wally Weaver and Janey Slater could have gone to work for Extra Spatial Research, who tie in with Veidt and Manhattans energy search. Then have Comedian go loopy after seeing squiddy on an island and follow the story from there. You get what i'm sure would have been a well grisly squiddy at the end, and the same result - with additional gore from 1 in 3 New Yorkers being pwned. The Manhattan Spectre2 scene would have been more traumatic too.

AND WTF HAPPENED TO THE NITE OWL 1 STORYLINE?

 

[andy2002]

Saw it this afternoon and was rather underwhelmed. I think I'd have liked it a lot more had I never read the book - it comes across as little more than "Watchmen Lite" as a result.

I have to say I have no real desire to see a Director's Cut either - the film that exists is too long as it is. I reckon Moore's right - it really is unfilmable.

And that new ending - although quite clever - had none of the impact of the original.

A big fat meh really.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Dear god I hope it's not like the game which is fucking shite...

 

[Idris2002]

Saw it last night, and I thought it was a damn good, respectable effort - not as good as the book mind.

I thought the soundtrack was OK, though Hallelujah is rapidly turning into a cliché. Using the original German language version of 99 Red Balloons was a very nice touch.

The sexual politics were weird and icky, and the Comedian was presented too sympathetically. But I think maybe all its flaws were inherent in the transition from book to film. They're both visual art forms, but they are visual art forms of very different kinds.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I thought the soundtrack was OK, though Hallelujah is rapidly turning into a cliché. Using the original German language version of 99 Red Balloons was a very nice touch.

The german version was the 'hit' version in america, most people (apart from in the UK) don't know there was an english version.

 

[mentalchik]

Quite fancied going to see this (i very rarely go to the cinema) but all the chat about graphic gore has put me off a bit..... (am a big girly la-la about such stuff).....



is it really bad ?

 

[Balbi]

TBH, every time the music was laid over the film it was too damn loud. I mean, seriously - just because you can turn it up all the way doesn't make it more effective. Just damn loud.

*bangs cane on floor*

 

[The Groke]

is it really bad ?

It wasn't particularly pervasive IMO, but there are 3, maybe 4 scenes which you may want to turn away from...

 

[mentalchik]

It wasn't particularly pervasive IMO, but there are 3, maybe 4 scenes which you may want to turn away from...

My son says he doesn't wanna go with me if i'm gonna make any stupid noises or slide down the seat (i told him the tale of what i did in the chest burster scene in Alien when it first came out.........shrieked just a little)

 

[Balbi]

Go see it for the softcore pornography you get just before the final act

 

[mentalchik]

Go see it for the softcore pornography you get just before the final act

 

[belboid]

well, that was distinctly underwhelming.

Some truly awful acting, whoever played Veidt should never be allowed on screen again, the violence was ramped up in a completely unnecessary way, and its far too long and superficially true to the book.

That said, it was a fun enough couple of hours, a fair few scenes that made me smile and hte ending was okay, considering.

 

[andy2002]

the violence was ramped up in a completely unnecessary way

Yep. I found the violence genuinely unpleasant – Snyder's idea of what constitutes "adult" presumably.

 

[The Groke]

whoever played Veidt should never be allowed on screen again,.

Funnily enough, I just watched "The Lookout" and he is in that, almost unrecognisable from his Watchman role and he is really good!

Problem I had is that they didn't seem to know what accent they wanted him to have - his native British or some sort of foppish American.

 

[DexterTCN]

Loved it. Very faithful to the novel.

(Although they had to change the bit about the guy with the dogs because fucking Saw stole that, or some other gorno. And of course Heroes stole the 'end' as well so that had to be adapted.)

Snyder tinkered with it but that's needed when most people will know it from start to end.

Certainly deserves the 18 rating.

Will watch it again and I'm hoping for a Director's Cut for all the extra bits cut out.

 

[andy2002]

Loved it. Very faithful to the novel.

(Although they had to change the bit about the guy with the dogs because fucking Saw stole that, or some other gorno.

Didn't that idea - a character making someone saw off their own leg/arm to escape a burning building or something similar – originally appear in the first Mad Max film? I think Moore may have nicked it from there...

And of course Heroes stole the 'end' as well so that had to be adapted.)

The ending to Heroes' first season is nothing like the end to Watchmen, other than that it's set in New York. Or did I miss the bit where Peter Petrelli turns into a massive psychic squid?

 

[DexterTCN]

The ending to Heroes' first season is nothing like the end to Watchmen, other than that it's set in New York. Or did I miss the bit where Peter Petrelli turns into a massive psychic squid?

No mate you missed the quotemarks around the word end, and I didn't say Heroes stole it for the end of season one...just that they stole it.

I think you're right about Mad Max, though. The fact remains that it's been done in that way so it was ok to change (that part)...although it's maybe much more violent now. (no spoiler from me)

Ceratinly memorable.

 

[Dillinger4]

A massive psychic squid?

Wasn't that Akira?

 

[DexterTCN]

Kind of, yup.

 

[brixtonvilla]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say then ending of the film is better than that of the book. By some way.

 

[flash]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say then ending of the film is better than that of the book. By some way.

+1 on that. It made more sense and was more workable and accessible for the audience. Kind of sums up what I felt about the film, preferred it to the novel. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed both and don't think I would have enjoyed the film anywhere near as much without reading the novel, but just found the film less hard going and way more accessible. Enjoyed it. Would be keen to see a director's cut as I feel it would be way longer and probably more like the novel in terms of depth and complexity.

 

[Dillinger4]

As for directors cuts and stuff, I read there were going to be a few extras.

I have not read the comic/book, but there is supposed to be a comic inside the comic? About a ship. That is being made into a cartoon.

There will also be another short film, or something.