UK photographers: the law and your rights: discussion

[sim667]

I've still not been paid from my post I made above. Don't know if to chase, or just forget and move on.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Amateurs are free to take photos on Network Rail stations and they certainly don't face fees if their stations appear in the background somewhere of a photo they manage to sell.

Yeah I know, hence why: Network Rail charging a professional for taking...

NT won't have a leg to stand on if you take a snap of something whilst not physically on their property though, same as a photo of a train station from a public street.

The National Trust has many failings, but people making money by taking photos of their properties and using them in commercial ventures should cough up something, imo.

 

[editor]

Yeah I know, hence why: Network Rail charging a professional for taking...

NT won't have a leg to stand on if you take a snap of something whilst not physically on their property though, same as a photo of a train station from a public street.

The National Trust has many failings, but people making money by taking photos of their properties and using them in commercial ventures should cough up something, imo.

In their properties, yes. But charging amateurs and semi pros for taking a pic out in the wilds? GTFO.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

In their properties, yes. But charging amateurs and semi pros for taking a pic out in the wilds? GTFO.

Ah, didn't know they planned to charge amateurs, that would be wrong.

 

[mauvais]

National Trust photography restrictions are implemented by actual law, not just policy, entry T&Cs etc

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've still not been paid from my post I made above. Don't know if to chase, or just forget and move on.

Chase the fuckers, give them 7-days notice of County Court action, that normally works.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not good!

Blimey, I knew Eddie years ago, he's a big fucker, and always stands his ground.

Top man.

 

[editor]

National Trust photography restrictions are implemented by actual law, not just policy, entry T&Cs etc

What actual law is this?

Photographic access | National Trust Images

Out of doors at NT properties


All visitors to National Trust properties are allowed to take photographs out of doors for their own private use. Any requests from individuals wishing to sell or publish photographs should be directed to images@nationaltrust.org.uk

Indoors at NT Properties

Amateur photography (including filming) without flash is now permitted in historic interiors at the Property or General Manager's discretion. As with outdoor photography, any photographs taken are strictly for private use, and enquiries about selling or publishing photographs should be directed to images@nationaltrust.org.uk.

National Trust and photographers

 

[mauvais]

What actual law is this?

Photographic access | National Trust Images



National Trust and photographers

The National Trust Byelaws 1965 (PDF)

 

[mauvais]

This is of import because it can directly produce a criminal offence rather than, say, a breach of contract or a matter of (usually civil) trespass.

 

[editor]

This is of import because it can directly produce a criminal offence rather than, say, a breach of contract or a matter of (usually civil) trespass.

Where does it mention taking photos in the open air?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I've still not been paid from my post I made above. Don't know if to chase, or just forget and move on.

Chase. They owe you that money.

(And welcome to the world of freelancing. Having to chase is way more common than it should be.)

 

[mauvais]

Where does it mention taking photos in the open air?

Find -> 'photo'

No unauthorised person shall on Trust Property sell or offer or expose for sale any commodity, or article or for the purpose of trade or reward take any photograph.

 

[editor]

Find -> 'photo'

That's fucking ridicuous. I've gone right off the National Trust now. It's fair enough if people are bringing in a full production crew for a pro photoshoot, but an amateur getting lucky and selling a pic to the local rag or whatever? Fuck them.

 

[editor]

They look after hundreds of miles of coastline too, How the fuck can they even dream of enforcing such a stupid law?

 

[blossie33]

Just seen this via a link from some photos I was looking at to an American photography magazine.
Specifically to do with copyright and Vivian Maier's photos but maybe of interest?

https://hyperallergic.com/147693/making-sense-of-the-legal-battle-over-vivian-maiers-artworks/

 

[sim667]

Chasing up payment today, hadn't given the organiser enough credit, its actually the venue that are meant to pay and haven't done so.

 

[Pickman's model]

Chasing up payment today, hadn't given the organiser enough credit, its actually the venue that are meant to pay and haven't done so.

who was your contract actually with? have you at any time had dealings with the venue rather than the party people?

 

[Pickman's model]

They look after hundreds of miles of coastline too, How the fuck can they even dream of enforcing such a stupid law?

your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to photograph as many national trust properties as possible

 

[sim667]

who was your contract actually with? have you at any time had dealings with the venue rather than the party people?

No

I invoiced the party people as I was asked too.

It will come through, I think i'm just going through the lines of beaucracy. I know the party organisers, have done for a long time.

 

[Pickman's model]

No

I invoiced the party people as I was asked too.

It will come through, I think i'm just going through the lines of beaucracy. I know the party organisers, have done for a long time.

pity they didn't say 'oh, you need to talk to the venue' in the first place

 

[editor]

Here's an interesting twist on the National Trust's rules on photography

Last year, photographer Howard Kennedy got under fire because of a nude photoshoot inside the 17th century Craigievar Castle. The National Trust for Scotland (NTS), who owns the castle, started an investigation after revealing the nude photos Kennedy shot inside of it. However, the photographer has now decided to fight back. Reportedly, he is suing NTS for damaging his personal reputation and seeks £50,000 in libel damages.


The Craigievar Castle is located in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. It was completed in 1626, and it’s been in the hands of NTS since 1963. It’s said to have inspired Walt Disney’s Cinderella Castle, but it seems it has also been an inspiring place for some nude shots. After Kennedy photographed the model Rachelle Summers in 2012, he and his wife Karen offered the prints for sale worldwide. In 2016, the images reached Gabriel Forbes-Sempill. She is the daughter of Lord Sempill, who gifted the castle to The National Trust. And this is where the whole saga began.

After MsSempill’s complaint, NTS denied granting Kennedy permission for the photoshoot. As Mirror reports, they stated that” “the Trust would never sanction photographs of this nature especially at a location that is regularly visited by families with children.” However, the photographer claimed that he had the permission to shoot, and even paid for it, although – there is no evidence.

As Kennedy told Daily Record, he’d booked the location over the phone: “I told them it was for nude photography. They wanted £500 but I said that was beyond my budget so we agreed £200.” He claims he handed over the check and shot the photos after getting the permission and paying.

Despite the photographer’s claims, NTS denied giving him the permission for the nude photoshoot. They started an investigation to find out how the photographer, his wife, and the model got into the castle. The spokesman confirmed they were “considering legal action against those responsible.”

After the claims of NTS have allegedly “damaged his professional reputation,” Kennedy has decided to sue them. He is seeking up to £50,000 ($66,500) in libel damages. According to the barrister, the complaint also caused around 50% drop in bookings of training courses which Kennedy runs. He adds that, due to the impact of the statement, Kennedy “was finding it extremely difficult to make commercial sales calls.” So, in addition to suing for libel damages, Kennedy is reportedly also suing for alleged breach of the Data Protection Act “including special damages for loss of business,” as reported in Mirror.

Nude photographer sues National Trust for Scotland for damaging his reputation

 

[editor]

Some bunch of design agency chancers offered me a massive £10 per image to have my photos featured in a restaurant in Cardiff, offering that massively important 'photo credit.' As politely as I could, I declined.

 

[Simonburn]

Hi
(dont know if this is the right place to post this)

Are you allowed to sell images you have taken of military planes at UK RAF (or USAF) bases?
Assumptions:
Images taken from outside the base, viewing areas dont say "No Photography"
As far as i can tell, you should be able to sell prints, but I cant find any difinative info.

Anyone have any solid info?
Thanks
Simon

 

[editor]

Hi
(dont know if this is the right place to post this)

Are you allowed to sell images you have taken of military planes at UK RAF (or USAF) bases?
Assumptions:
Images taken from outside the base, viewing areas dont say "No Photography"
As far as i can tell, you should be able to sell prints, but I cant find any difinative info.

Anyone have any solid info?
Thanks
Simon

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't unless you're somehow endangering national security.

 

[spitfire]

Hi
(dont know if this is the right place to post this)

Are you allowed to sell images you have taken of military planes at UK RAF (or USAF) bases?
Assumptions:
Images taken from outside the base, viewing areas dont say "No Photography"
As far as i can tell, you should be able to sell prints, but I cant find any difinative info.

Anyone have any solid info?
Thanks
Simon

People take pics of the Mach Loop all the time and this particular individual seems to be able to sell them so you should be fine*.

Lowflyzone-Low Level photography

There's an F35 in this gallery and they are pretty secret squirrel so get stuck in.

Lowflyzone-Low Level photography

*am not a lawyer

 

[Simonburn]

Thanks for your thoughts, but I was hoping for a definative answer

 

[Pickman's model]

Thanks for your thoughts, but I was hoping for a definative answer

Yes, yes you can

 

[isvicthere?]

Have they still got a 'Flying Squad'? .

Nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah-nah-NAAAAH-nah-nah-nah.

 

[duncanh64]

Thought I'd post this query here; was on holiday recently at the seaside and walked onto the local pier where there was a film being shot. We joined a small crowd of folk rubbernecking to see what was going on, some of them taking snaps with their phones. I had been taking a few photos further up the coastline and still had the camera (Nikon 1 J5) on the neck strap, but turned off and lens cap on; couldn't see anything particularly worth photographing (although apparently Eddie Izzard had been around earlier) and was about to go when a security chap came bounding over and bent down to me (was a big bloke; I'm not) and told me I couldn't use the camera here and he muttered something about my camera interfering with the crew's film cameras. I shrugged and told him I hadn't used the camera and was just going anyway; didn't notice him speak to anyone else taking photos. Any one know anything about this ? Have seen people using DSLRs/compact system cameras around film sets before with no issue..