True detective. New hbo thang.

[DotCommunist]

That'll be a shame if it's right. Rust hallucinating flocks of birds shaped like the tattoos on the corpses, all that stuff. I loved those bits.

well, its what set it apart, the literary allusions and the sense of some awful southern gothic fear behind it all 'There is a shadow on you' was the best delivered line from a supporting actor in the whole show.

If they've abandoned that then we've just got yet another cops n robbers show.

 

[Up the junction]

cashing in .... seems inevitable but still a shame.

TD1 was excellent - sometimes outstanding - but what raised it to off the scale was Harrelson and McConaughey. At least until the final two minutes.

This ... lets see.

 

[Dr. Furface]

That trailer doesn't really grab me.

Me either. In fact it's already turned me off bothering watching it. But Colin Farrell usually does have that effect.

 

[SE25]

If it's got none of the occult/spooky stuff then it can get to fuck, too many standard cop shows these days.

 

[8den]

I fucking hated the occult side of things because it went no where. And instead of stopping the whole paedophile content cult thing they only got one fucking hill billy who weirdly talked like cary grant doing a british accent.

 

[8den]

That being said I like this idea that true detective and Fargo have started. Each series has new characters and a new plot and new characters, from the same team and same style. So they can be innoviate and not keep shoe horning the same cast in increasingly unlikely situations.

See the last season of the Wire.

 

[DotCommunist]

I fucking hated the occult side of things because it went no where. And instead of stopping the whole paedophile content cult thing they only got one fucking hill billy who weirdly talked like cary grant doing a british accent.

thats because it wasn't a full on victory. They never got to kincora...I mean carcosa's main people. The devil stuff, the occult, how much was just in rustes alcohol fogged mind and how much was true. And we'll never know. I liked that. If I want full on fantasy in cop show clothing I can choose fropm any number of syfy or DC outputs ennit

 

[8den]

thats because it wasn't a full on victory. They never got to kincora...I mean carcosa's main people. The devil stuff, the occult, how much was just in rustes alcohol fogged mind and how much was true. And we'll never know. I liked that. If I want full on fantasy in cop show clothing I can choose fropm any number of syfy or DC outputs ennit

It wasn't any kind of victory. The whole point was to bring down the conspiracy and they only got the fall guy. Thats the very opposite of a victory.

I when I said "I hated" the occult thing, it's because it also went nowhere, this build up to the something dark and malevolent and the "it was all a dream" twist.

 

[DotCommunist]

They got their man. Sometimes thats all the victory you get.

 

[8den]

They got their man. Sometimes thats all the victory you get.

Yeah that "we got our guy" bit. A very old fashioned Dragnet/Law and Order ending to a show that supposed to be a break from traditional cop procedural shows.

Well true it was in many ways a pyrrhic victory by killing Errol they appear to lose their link to the overarching conspiracy, they'll never find the rest of the paedophiles who by the end of the series appear to be able to get off scot free and continue to abuse.

I'd all for a downbeat ending it's just when I watched it, it was kind of "ah well we got our guy case closed" kind of vibe, which I liked for about ten seconds, and then it was a "oh hang on..."

 

[DotCommunist]

Well true it was in many ways a pyrrhic victory by killing Errol they appear to lose their link to the overarching conspiracy, they'll never find the rest of the paedophiles who by the end of the series appear to be able to get off scot free and continue to abuse.

I'd all for a downbeat ending it's just when I watched it, it was kind of "ah well we got our guy case closed" kind of vibe, which I liked for about ten seconds, and then it was a "oh hang on..."

I had problems with the ending too- but after ruminating on it, it was truer for me. The grand conspiracy never comes down. All you've got is various fuck ups like that pauir that manage to join up dots and bag the small fry but never do the big fish get a frying.

/cynicism

 

[8den]

I had problems with the ending too- but after ruminating on it, it was truer for me. The grand conspiracy never comes down. All you've got is various fuck ups like that pauir that manage to join up dots and bag the small fry but never do the big fish get a frying.

/cynicism

Maybe I need to watch it again. I thought the Occult stuff, and the Grand conspiracy were teased and then dismissed, and I felt they cheated.

 

[peterkro]

Series2EpOne on torrent sites now.Cohen doing series theme tune and being suitably bad arse.I quite enjoyed,if for nothing else the mumbling has been toned down a notch.

 

[DotCommunist]

toned up, surely?

 

[The Octagon]

Very much a slow-burn start but I enjoyed it for the most part.

Farrell was excellent and thought Vaughn looked like he could develop well once things get properly underway, but for the most part if felt like backstory for the characters, with the mystery / case only really coming into play near the end.

Cinematography was just as gorgeous as S1, but very different landscapes (felt like I was watching Grand Theft Auto 5 cutscenes at one point )

Still not sure the women characters are going to get as much nuance as the men based on that, 2 introduced through how sexually adventurous / willing they were, the other as the classic mob wife (for now anyway).

Apparently critics weren't impressed by episode 1, but agree 2 and 3 are much better, so looking forward to seeing where it goes.

Colin Farrell tied with Stannis Baratheon for Dad of The Year so far

 

[yardbird]

Just started watching.
I shall return with observations.

 

[peterkro]

toned up, surely?

Maybe that ear dewaxing syringe thingy I bought is working better than I thought.

 

[bi0boy]

toned up, surely?

Not many can outmumble McConaughey.

 

[D'wards]

Colin Farrell tied with Stannis Baratheon for Dad of The Year so far

Or Marvin Gaye's dad.

Effective way of dealing with bullies though, i'm sure

 

[The Octagon]

Or Marvin Gaye's dad.

Effective way of dealing with bullies though, i'm sure

"Of the year"

Really thought Velcoro (trying not to write Colin Farrell or Velcro every time) was just going to brain the kid at one point

 

[SE25]

Really liked that. Farrell is awesome, Vaughn has potential, the two others have plenty of time to develop. The setting is less 'glitzy' than I expecting which is nice, I don't think TD would work in a shiny, glamorous LA.

edit: Kelly Reilly is my bet for the hidden gem. Seems like she runs things, the brains behind Vaughn's enterprise.

 

[bi0boy]

I'm kinda tired of drunk anti-heros knocking back whiskey. Can't they try something new like a furtive wanking addiction or something.

 

[SE25]

I'm kinda tired of drunk anti-heros knocking back whiskey. Can't they try something new like a furtive wanking addiction or something.

It allows them to deal with the 'shit they've got to deal with' without doing a meth or something that may offend some viewers and result in lower ratings

 

[DotCommunist]

so the entire supernatural angle has now been reduced to foreboding music? cheers for that you anodyne cunts.

I'll give ep 2 a go, can't say fairer than that

 

[Steel Icarus]

15 minutes into Ep.2 I noticed Mrs. S☼I was on her iPad and I'd taken dinnerplates to the kitchen and gone for a piss without pausing it. 20 minutes in I turned to her and said "I don't care about this; the plot, the characters, it's a massive load of tedious bollocks" and she agreed. So off it went. Never to return.

 

[The Octagon]

Well, that was unexpected.

Good episode tho, bit more character stuff and trademark weird dialogue.

 

[bi0boy]

I got about half way through and gave up out of boredom. It's just some people mumbling to each other about some city admin shit.

I will wait until the last episode has aired. If people tell me it was super awesome and got way more interesting, I will start watching again.

 

[DotCommunist]

I gave this a second shake out of boredom and it does get good. Its not yet at the level of 'must-watch' I had with season 1 but its good. Worth the time.

 

[SE25]

tbh I'm liking it more than S1, probably because I'm watched it while it's on this time and can read theories and shit on r/truedetective. Can't say I care too much about the actual murder, I'm more into the main characters and the wider conspiracy. Farrell is fucking brilliant and Vaughn is getting better by the episode. Kelly Reilly's accent is unconvincing but I get the feeling there's more to her than they've let on. The other two are decent as well, McAdams' fucked up past and her dad will be important later I think

the end of S2E4 was fucking great. What a huge fuckup...

Spoiler

it seems clear that they weren't meant to survive all that and the mayor or someone tipped off the people the cops were going for to try and get the main 3 out the picture after Bezzerides started to look into his involvement in Caspere's death

 

[Reno]

That being said I like this idea that true detective and Fargo have started. Each series has new characters and a new plot and new characters, from the same team and same style. So they can be innoviate and not keep shoe horning the same cast in increasingly unlikely situations.

See the last season of the Wire.

American Horror Story invented that format.