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Travelling from the UK to the USA with a criminal record

Frank397 said:
Anyone see the daily mail with the family being refused entry to the US? How family's dream £4,500 Florida trip became a 'holiday from hell' | Daily Mail Online
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Any country with such arbitrary and unaccountable ways of dealing with potential guests doesn't deserve to have a tourist industry, in my book.

I worked for brief periods in the States in the late 90s, and loved the country, and the people. But I would simply not want now to visit a place which reserves the right to treat visitors the way the US does.
 
existentialist said:
Any country with such arbitrary and unaccountable ways of dealing with potential guests doesn't deserve to have a tourist industry, in my book.

I worked for brief periods in the States in the late 90s, and loved the country, and the people. But I would simply not want now to visit a place which reserves the right to treat visitors the way the US does.
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The 64,000 dollar questions is how did they know and has something changed ? They had been going every year for the last 10 without problem.
 
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phillm said:
The 64,000 dollar questions is how did they know and has something changed ? They had been going every year for the last 10 without problem.
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Can’t see any clear explanation in any versions of the stories.

Two possibilities: EITHER maybe one of the party coughed to the arrest in response to a direct question at the border (they ask such on the off chance you are half asleep and/or to see if they get conflicting responses from folks in the same group). OR the local authorities had other information - perhaps they were even the original source of the list of names/addresses/financial details of suspected money launderers in the first place (rather than arrest/conviction data being shared back from the UK in more recent years).

Irrespective, one wouldn’t be surprised if they build a trawling database of potentially suspect persons (they build a no-fly list after all) and perhaps aren’t under the same data regulation pressures to bother purging it regularly. One could imagine it also being populated with many otherwise innocent details (the 1999 Landslide case comes to mind). If there’s a namespace clash doubtless they get the thumbscrews out on innocents (similar has certainly prevented people from even flying before).
 
2hats said:
Can’t see any clear explanation in any versions of the stories.

Two possibilities: EITHER maybe one of the party coughed to the arrest in response to a direct question at the border (they ask such on the off chance you are half asleep and/or to see if they get conflicting responses from folks in the same group). OR the local authorities had other information - perhaps they were even the original source of the list of names/addresses/financial details of suspected money launderers in the first place (rather than arrest/conviction data being shared back from the UK in more recent years).

Irrespective, one wouldn’t be surprised if they build a trawling database of potentially suspect persons (they build a no-fly list after all) and perhaps aren’t under the same data regulation pressures to bother purging it regularly. One could imagine it also being populated with many otherwise innocent details (the 1999 Landslide case comes to mind). If there’s a namespace clash doubtless they get the thumbscrews out on innocents (similar has certainly prevented people from even flying before).
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I doubt it was one of the party coughing up and if so then the border force have new data that they didn't seem to have or use have during the past ten years.
 
So I’m going to America with my mate, and he applied for an ESTA and done the usual no to everything, then a couple of weeks later he panicked and has ticked yes to the convictions one, would he be able to apply again in 10 days and his previous ESTA be wiped? Or will he now have to apply for a visa?
 
If the TSA go searching (as mentioned before) on the off chance then they can get you no probs. Especially if you're coming from a country that has big ties and speaks the same language. You just have to be lucky everytime, they have to be lucky once.
 
Jay Park said:
If the TSA go searching (as mentioned before) on the off chance then they can get you no probs. Especially if you're coming from a country that has big ties and speaks the same language. You just have to be lucky everytime, they have to be lucky once.
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Or you don’t get yer holiday in the US.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.
 
River Plate said:
Hi Guys

I too have read the entire thread as I don't want to ask for advice and have my head bitten off.

As far as I can see my question has not yet been covered or advised upon so here goes.

My partner and I are going to the states in October but I have a criminal record although nothing for 11 years.

Until 2007 it was just juvenile petty stuff but back in that year I was charged with burgling a dwelling. The whole thing was a farce. My ex-Brother in law ran a nightclub and he allowed me to try and get a small business going in there operating a fun casino in there using a roulette wheel. To cut a long story short he allowed it just as long as I donated £50 each weekend to him to donate to charity.

Nine month passed and I contacted the charity to ask for a certificate for the money I had raised that he had paid to them only to be told he hadn't!!
A month later I was in the club on a night it was open and talking to the manger in and around the office after after work at the end of the night. He went to cash up a till and I basically took £440 out of the tills already in there, exactly the amount I had raised and given to my brother in-law. He involved the Police and I was arrested.

The court went in his favour but I was unhappy by the way my solicitor presented the case and the court found me guilty. I wasn't expecting burglary though, theft yes but the magistrates thought the property was closed when I carried out what I did. I was just told to pay it back, no prison sentence, just probation, community service and the amount to be repaid in full.

Cutting to the chase I have booked a two week holiday in 9 weeks twin centre in USA via BA. It's all paid for, as are Amtrak tickets to travel between tht two cities, baseball tickets and American football!!

On the booking confirmation email we have to update our details including passport and Esta numbers so here is my question.

No doubt BA share this information with American Airlines and USA immigration, and will send all of this data to them well before we travel, giving them plenty of time to do checks. Will anything even flag up with BA themselves?

Is this likely to happen? I should be happier than I am, I was excited before I booked it but now it's real I have niggling worries in the back of my mind.

I have been on the same holiday before in 2002 but for my partner it is a first and I would be devastated for her if I was turned away.

I have my Esta, granted by saying 'no'

Many thanks in advance and apologies for the long post.
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What a load of cornflakes. Good luck with anything. :thumbs:
 
Are you sure you have read the whole thread?

Start at the beginning & you will find your answer. Or if not fuck to somewhere else that charges for visa shit,.
 
MrSki said:
Are you sure you have read the whole thread?

Start at the beginning & you will find your answer. Or if not fuck to somewhere else that charges for visa shit,.
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You don't have to start at the beginning - the last 10 pages will do it. Though I think our constituency is starting to become more educated, so that might have to go to 20 pages soon :)
 
Frank397 said:
So I’m going to America with my mate, and he applied for an ESTA and done the usual no to everything, then a couple of weeks later he panicked and has ticked yes to the convictions one, would he be able to apply again in 10 days and his previous ESTA be wiped? Or will he now have to apply for a visa?
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He's going to have to assume he's fucked himself. He's given them information, and none of us can know if that information will be kept or not. In his shoes, I'd divide my time between hitting myself in the face with the Giraffe of Correction, and considering making a formal visa application, assuming that the convictions are minor enough to present a problem there. If they aren't, then you're probably better off going to the States with a different mate.
 
Charlie Manson said:
There will be more to this story than meets the eye, i don't think they are letting on.
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Hi That’s what I think too, for all 3 to be picked out of the line and asked to go into a room then all 3 deported!!!!! I go with my little ones in 2 weeks and I’m actually having a breakdown as I have a conviction and worried that laws have changed in last few weeks.
 
Eve Gibson said:
Hi That’s what I think too, for all 3 to be picked out of the line and asked to go into a room then all 3 deported!!!!! I go with my little ones in 2 weeks and I’m actually having a breakdown as I have a conviction and worried that laws have changed in last few weeks.
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Maybe a re-think on your plans, either way good luck.
 
Eve Gibson said:
Hi That’s what I think too, for all 3 to be picked out of the line and asked to go into a room then all 3 deported!!!!! I go with my little ones in 2 weeks and I’m actually having a breakdown as I have a conviction and worried that laws have changed in last few weeks.
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It depends what your conviction is for. If it wasn't drug related or caused "serious damage to property or serious harm to another person or government department", you can answer "no" with a clear conscience.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
It depends what your conviction is for. If it wasn't drug related or caused "serious famage to property or serious harm to another person or government department", you can answer "no" with a clear conscience.
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But those people weren't even convicted and were refused entry. Wouldn't any conviction, no matter the seriousness, result in the same outcome?
 
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