"The UK and Ireland"

[krtek a houby]

A great human being, is Christy.

He'd never use the term, for certain.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

A great human being, is Christy.

He'd never use the term, for certain.

Yeah. I member his last tour of the Atlantic archipelago.

 

[krtek a houby]

Calling the British Isles the Atlantic Archipelago makes as much sense as calling Japan the Pacific Archipelago.

You seem to have some sort of obsession with Japan.

This is about these islands.

 

[Pickman's model]

These islands, the Atlantic Archipelago, are the acceptable descriptions. There's a few others that are politically neutral and considered not as charged as "the British Isles".

The term "UK and Ireland" is used a lot, you'll see it in adverts for availability or even there was a protest or demo highlighted on urban only the other day with the term. I should have linked to it as an example, but can't remember who, what and where exactly it was posted.

Aren't the azores an Atlantic archipelago? And the Falklands. Not to mention the faeroes etc

 

[andysays]

You seem to have some sort of obsession with Japan.

This is about these islands.

Calling the British Isles "these islands" is even more vague and frankly arrogant than calling them the Atlantic Archipelago.

Just because you're obsessed with something doesn't make it the centre of the earth around which everything and everyone else orbit.

 

[andysays]

Aren't the azores an Atlantic archipelago? And the Falklands. Not to mention the faeroes etc

There are literally dozens of Atlantic archipelagoes, but krtek a houby arrogantly dismisses them by referring to the British Isles as the Atlantic archipelago.

Some people apparently just can't shake off their colonialist mindset...

 

[krtek a houby]

There are literally dozens of Atlantic archipelagoes, but krtek a houby arrogantly dismisses them by referring to the British Isles as the Atlantic archipelago.

Some people apparently just can't shake off their colonialist mindset...

Every accusation is an admission with you.

 

[krtek a houby]

Calling the British Isles "these islands" is even more vague and frankly arrogant than calling them the Atlantic Archipelago.

Just because you're obsessed with something doesn't make it the centre of the earth around which everything and everyone else orbit.

Why bring in Japan first, specifically, though?

You do this a lot, for some bizarre reason.

This is the Ireland forum.

 

[krtek a houby]

Aren't the azores an Atlantic archipelago? And the Falklands. Not to mention the faeroes etc

Sure.

And as you know, in Ireland we don't use the term "British Isles", hence the alternatives used and agreed upon outside of the UK. Some more popular than others.

It's a shame that some British people (not your good self!) can't and won't accept that Ireland is not belonging to the UK, politically and geographically.

 

[krtek a houby]

Dáil Éireann - Volume 606 - 28 September, 2005 - Written Answers - Official Terms.

http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/tocD.0606.20050928.html

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Dáil Éireann - Volume 606 - 28 September, 2005

Written Answers - Official Terms.



593. Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if there is an official Government or Department of Foreign Affairs position on the use of the term British Isles when referring to Ireland and Britain; if the use of this term by Government agencies and the media in Britain is discouraged in any way by his Department; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [24442/05]

Mr. D. Ahern: The British Isles is not an officially recognised term in any legal or inter-governmental sense. It is without any official status. The Government, including the Department of Foreign Affairs, does not use this term.

Our officials in the Embassy of Ireland, London, continue to monitor the media in Britain for any abuse of the official terms as set out in the [406] Constitution of Ireland and in legislation. These include the name of the State, the President, Taoiseach and others.

 

[Yossarian]

The North Atlantic Archipelago? The Oileánra? The Manx Isles?

 

[kabbes]

Our European (in the physical geographical sense) property and casualty insurance business at work is divided into three primary management clusters — multinational, Continental Europe and UK & Ireland. So I certainly recognise the term. Each country has its own separate management structure too, but clustering countries together is part of the hierarchical management style.

The benefit of the UKI/CE split is that (multinational aside) UK is about half the revenue. Ireland is only a small part of the total, so from a revenue point of view it doesn’t really matter where it is put. However, from a people point of view it makes way more sense to manage it together with its geographically closest and linguistically compatible neighbour, rather than expecting it to be controlled by those whose primary focus is really France, Germany and Italy.

 

[Silas Loom]

And once an MNC has decided to treat UK&I as a unified accounting region, it makes even more sense to establish its local HQ in that region’s most favourable tax jurisdiction. So the people who do best out of it are the Irish.

 

[isvicthere?]

What's that all about, eh?

When did the two separate countries become joined at the fucking hip?

And if it has to be a thing, why not "Ireland and the UK"?

Well, I suppose it´s a step up from the once common "the British Isles."

 

[isvicthere?]

I suppose it’s mainly to do with common language.

Definitely so. Here in Spain, you often have stories on the news from Venezuela, Mexico and even Ecuador, which I have to ascribe to them being Spanish-speaking countries.

Similarly, when the queen died, the UK media concentrated on the "reaction" from USA, Australia and New Zealand far more than non-English speaking countries. Here, on the local news, we got the reaction from the president of the Comunidad de Murcia, something which UK networks failed to pick up on.

 

[krtek a houby]

Definitely so. Here in Spain, you often have stories on the news from Venezuela, Mexico and even Ecuador, which I have to ascribe to them being Spanish-speaking countries.

Similarly, when the queen died, the UK media concentrated on the "reaction" from USA, Australia and New Zealand far more than non-English speaking countries. Here, on the local news, we got the reaction from the president of the Comunidad de Murcia, something which UK networks failed to pick up on.

When the Queen died, did the UK media focus on any reaction from Ireland?

 

[krtek a houby]

The North Atlantic Archipelago? The Oileánra? The Manx Isles?

There is IONA, but thats controversial for reasons of exclusion regarding other archipelagos as others have hepfully pointed out.

 

[keybored]

Perhaps Ireland and UK should be used instead given if looking at a map from left to right - like you’d read it - Ireland is on the left. Also first alphabetically.

But Earth rotates from west to east, so UK comes first. Every day.

 

[isvicthere?]

When the Queen died, did the UK media focus on any reaction from Ireland?

I doubt that most of the reaction from Ireland would have been consistent with the "mourning" tone required of the mainstream UK news networks.

 

[krtek a houby]

I doubt that most of the reaction from Ireland would have been consistent with the "mourning" tone required of the mainstream UK news networks.

It would be a niche thing, certainly. A very niche thing.

 

[Idris2002]

The North Atlantic Archipelago? The Oileánra? The Manx Isles?

Charlie Haughey favoured IONA, or "Isles of the North Atlantic".

 

[krtek a houby]

Charlie Haughey favoured IONA, or "Isles of the North Atlantic".

Unfortunately it sounds like David Quinn's lot

 

[Idris2002]

Unfortunately it sounds like David Quinn's lot

There's a Mike Scott song (i.e. he released it under his own name, not as "The Waterboys") with the same title.

E2A:



A possible national anthem for the future Socialist Federation of the Isles of the North Atlantic?

 

[krtek a houby]

There's a Mike Scott song (i.e. he released it under his own name, not as "The Waterboys") with the same title.

E2A:



A possible national anthem for the future Socialist Federation of the Isles of the North Atlantic?

The Celtic Union of Nation Types