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The Simpsons. Take the Hint. Cancel it.

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No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Harry Shearer, the voice of, Ned Flanders, Mr. Burns, Principal Skinner, Otto, Smithers, has left the show, surely this should be the clue to Fox to end it, but no they're carrying on without him

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/14/8604495/harry-shearer-leaves-the-simpsons-no-mr-burns-flanders

I watched a interview with the cast a few years ago where they basically described the Simpsons as the dream job for a actor (working a few days a month) so the situation must be pretty dire for Shearer to quit what would be a successful lucrative gig now. Since the show hasn't been good/relevant/remotely funny for over a decade how, it can't be because he's decided that suddenly he wants to explore new options, but simply the money.
 
i watch it every week and have done for years, but these days im really struggling to crack a smile with it
Everything has its time. Comedy is very like music: the same formula palls after a while.

Even things that were absolutely brilliant in their day - like the Muppets or Spitting Image - become a bit tiresome after too long. Absolutely Fabulous and Fawlty Towers have guaranteed their legendary reputation by only running for a couple of series each.

I think production companies/broadcasters should be more aware than they can kill their legacy by going over the sell-by date just for a bit more profit.
 
theres a good argument that the simpsons has been six diffferent shows

I liked it during its more thoughtful years, episodes like lis's saxamaphone, bleeding gums murphy etc. By the time the film rolled around it had lost some of that pathos
 
theres a good argument that the simpsons has been six diffferent shows

I liked it during its more thoughtful years, episodes like lis's saxamaphone, bleeding gums murphy etc. By the time the film rolled around it had lost some of that pathos

I think the film was a triumphant return to form, and sort of surprising they pulled it out of the bag as the show hadn't been great for ages before it.
 
I can't watch it any more, it makes me too sad. God knows what kind of rump of a show they'll have left without Shearer.
 
I think most critic agree that the finest episodes and series are all in the 1st ten years, and it's now going onto it's 25th season.

I've been reading about some of the great episodes. Last Exit to Springfield is generally regarded as the show's finest episode

This episode is generally ranked as being one of the best of all time and is on a number of Top 10 lists,[6] and the BBC stated it is "frequently cited as the show's best-ever episode."[11] AnEntertainment Weekly article from January 2003 looking back at the top 25 episodes of the series chose this episode as the show's greatest episode, saying "this episode is virtually flawless, the product of a series at the height of its creative powers -- when the satire was savage and relevant" and "the stuff of syndication legend: Burns facing down brilliant labor kingpin Homer Simpson; Homer Simpson facing down his own brain (DENTAL PLAN!/Lisa needs braces!); Grampa rattling on about wearing onions on his belt. Last Exit is a glorious symphony of the high and the low, of satirical shots at unions."[5] In his book, Planet Simpson, Chris Turner calls it the best episode of the series, saying "Episode 9F15 of The Simpsons should be taught in schools, in history, economics, social studies, literature and art class. It's flawless".[12] He also called it "the funniest half-hour in TV history", and provided a full analysis of the episode, only criticizing the chalkboard and couch gags.[12] He maintains that he chose the episode as best ever before Entertainment Weekly‍ 's list was published.[12]

In 2003, to celebrate the show's 300th episode, USA Today published a top 10 chosen by the webmaster of The Simpsons Archive, which had this episode in first place.[13] The BBC website says, "This fine episode contains several of our favourite sequences ... A classic, and the series' most marked expedition into the surreal - up to this point."[2] MSNBC, who listed the episode as their favorite, stated, "This is the episode that every self-respecting Simpsons geek must be able to recite verbatim."[14] Michael Moran of The Times ranked the episode as the sixth best in the show's history.[15]

Director Mark Kirkland considers this episode to be one of the most surreal episodes that he has worked on because it has a lot of story crammed into it, lots of parodies and contains several visual sequences.[7] Al Jean has also called this one of the "craziest" episodes.[6] Homer's line "uh... Yeah" after being asked if he found the bathroom is one of Jay Kogen's favorite Simpsons jokes.[8]The episode's parody of Batman was named the 30th greatest film reference in the history of the show by Total Film's Nathan Ditum.[16]

The scene in the episode in which Mr. Burns shows his room with a thousand monkeys working at a thousand typewriters, a reference to the infinite monkey theorem, has inspired a real-life experiment about the theorem.[17] The episode has become study material for sociology courses at University of California Berkeley, where it is used to "examine issues of the production and reception of cultural objects, in this case, a satirical cartoon show", and to figure out what it is "trying to tell audiences about aspects primarily of American society, and, to a lesser extent, about other societies."[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Exit_to_Springfield
 
I think Crispy pretty much nailed it a few years ago on the Greatest Simpsons Episode thread. The tendancy to get slebs in and the upgraded animation and lame storylines ruined it from around S10 onwards.

S1 and S2 - finding its feet
S3 to S9 - Golden Age
S10 - The Beginning Of The End. Episodes that revolve around celebrities, Homer getting wacky job after wacky job. Eternal decline hereafter. Blame Mike Scully.
 
I think Crispy pretty much nailed it a few years ago on the Greatest Simpsons Episode thread. The tendancy to get slebs in and the upgraded animation and lame storylines ruined it from around S10 onwards.

I'd completely forgotten I created that thread, and poll. I'm not sure if a testament to the quality of the writing of the Simpsons, or to how sad I am, that whenever I see a trampoline I still say "Trambobaline"




When did the simpson family guy cross over happen?

 
there must be a lot of people who find it amusing, otherwise it wouldn't have received the audience figures it has for the past 10 years. maybe your sense of humour's shit.

Fail the Simpsons rating have constituently fallen over the years. For example the Episode I mentioned "Last Exit To Brooklyn" was watched by 11 million people in the US, while viewing figures for the current season have fallen to around 3.5 million.

http://www.ew.com/article/2014/04/28/the-simpsons-ratings-low

Ratings has been constituently falling throughout the shows run, peaking at round 11/12 million during the shows most successful (and best) series (the 1st ten) and falling steadily as the show declined.
 
Fail the Simpsons rating have constituently fallen over the years. For example the Episode I mentioned "Last Exit To Brooklyn" was watched by 11 million people in the US, while viewing figures for the current season have fallen to around 3.5 million.

http://www.ew.com/article/2014/04/28/the-simpsons-ratings-low

Ratings has been constituently falling throughout the shows run, peaking at round 11/12 million during the shows most successful (and best) series (the 1st ten) and falling steadily as the show declined.
last exit to brooklyn famously an 18 cert film; perhaps you mean last exit to springfield, ep.17 s.4, 1993. it was watched by 12.8m viewing households, and therefore rather more people, not the 11m people you claim. but let's not get bogged down in your dishonesty just yet.
 
zombie simpsons: how the best show ever became the broadcasting undead

Why The Simpsons was amazing, why it came to suck and why it still lives.
Very much worth your time to read.

Thats a very good albeit a very long read.

The Simpsons premiered just two weeks before the 1980s ended, instantly going beyond “hit show” and becoming a cultural sensation. 1990 was the year of “Bartmania”, famously epitomized by t-shirts emblazoned with a picture of Bart underneath the word “Underachiever”; slingshot in hand, he declared “And proud of it, man!”. The huge reaction to the show, both positive and negative, was greatly abetted by all those years of timidity and repetitiveness on the part of the three major networks. The revolt had begun with shows like Married . . . with Children and Roseanne, both of which took as a given a working class, explicitly anti-“Cosby” mentality.7 But while those shows had the attitude, they were inherently limited by their laughtracked, live action, living-room-with-a-couch setup. The Simpsons had no such restrictions, and cast its scorn over everything.

The reaction was as intense as it was polarized. For Americans who more or less liked television and America the way they were, The Simpsons represented a near blasphemous rejection of things they held dear. For Americans who felt ignored on television and in general, The Simpsons was a perfect send up of everything they’d been told to love but actually hated. Both groups had been inured to dumb and inoffensive programming, and something that was neither came as a shock.

The people who loathed the show, up to and including the sitting President and First Lady, had become accustomed to a television landscape that was rife with families that looked like them and messages that confirmed their beliefs. The Simpsons, especially Bart, enraged them for not conforming to the usual television morality. That it was animated made it even worse. Cartoons were considered children’s programming and, in a classic case of the “Think of the children!” mentality The Simpsons would skewer later that year, Bart and Homer were derided as terrible role models who would surely lead America’s youth astray.

The people who loved the show had the opposite reaction but for the same reasons. They too were desensitized to the repetitive blandness of most television, but they embraced The Simpsons wholeheartedly. Suburban white kids, city black kids, and every non-stereotypical demographic in between tuned in every week. Soon even the repeats were scoring big ratings, merchandise of various legality was consumed in a frenzy, and Bart became the literal poster boy for what was wrong with America.

The hysteria was due at least in part to the way The Simpsons deliberately attacked the sacred cows of American television. Unlike all those shows where things always work out and kids learn lessons, in Springfield there isn’t a single institution that’s run by an honest and caring public servant. The local government is presided over by a corrupt womanizer modeled on the worst aspects of the Kennedys. The police force is staffed by morons and commanded by a man whose incompetence is matched only by his corpulence. The school is run by a principal who is ramrod straight in public but who doesn’t particularly care that most of the kids in his charge aren’t going anywhere in life. Likewise, the teachers and the staff go through the motions but are contemptuous and comprehensively apathetic toward the children they are theoretically educating.

Generations of television shows had treated these institutions with deference and respect; The Simpsons mocked them harshly and relentlessly. The mayor’s adultery wasn’t a scandal; it was taken for granted. The same was true of the indifference of the teachers and the incompetence of the police. There weren’t any crusading journalists or hero cops. There weren’t any reforming politicians, caring teachers, or righteous lawyers who locked away the guilty and kept the innocent from prison. Every person with authority or responsibility was resigned to the crappiness of the system.

Authority figures like these weren’t usually mocked on television, and when they were, it was only in the gentlest of ways (think Don Knotts on The Andy Griffith Show). The Simpsons didn’t merely disrespect them, it was outright contemptuous of them. Season 1 mocked the police, the schools, the government, and the churches, all while portraying their leaders as wretched human beings. There were gullible school administrators, quack therapists, dimwitted preachers, and a justice system so poorly run that its mistakes could be spotted by a ten-year-old. The show took as its axiom an America that sucked and failed not because of laziness or moral collapse, but because it was run and inhabited by idiots and assholes. Above all, the show went after the holiest of television holies, the Teevee Dad.

The first episode shown, “Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire” is a half hour of total patriarchal failure. Homer Simpson is incompetent, stupid and insecure. He does everything in his limited power to give his family the kind of Christmas that television families have long enjoyed, but tinsel and trimmings are simply beyond his reach.

I think people forget (I know I did) that the Simpsons have been on air since the 80s and the television landscape of the late 80s is virtually unrecognisable to what we have today. The Simpsons allowed so many different programs, and inspired alot of incredible TV (not just animation), I think any show thats on air in the past 20 years that is irreverent, and vaguely subversive owes a debt to the Simpsons. I just don't think that the Simspons has adapted with the day, and has been a bloated parody of itself, self mocking and self indulgent (not necessarily a bad thing, look at that family guy cross over the fight climaxes at springfield gorge and Barts attempt to cross it in Bart the Daredevil.)

I'd watch the Simpsons do Last Exit to Brooklyn. Or even better the Muppets.

Speaking of the Muppets


This looks good. "That looks like a totally overused device and I hate it"
 
last exit to brooklyn famously an 18 cert film; perhaps you mean last exit to springfield, ep.17 s.4, 1993. it was watched by 12.8m viewing households, and therefore rather more people, not the 11m people you claim. but let's not get bogged down in your dishonesty just yet.

Not rising to the trolling.
 
Where did I lie? I mixed up Last Exit to Brooklyn with Last Exit to Springfield (a honest mistake since the Simpsons episode title is a homage to the former) and I said the show was watched by 11 million people (when in fact it was watched by 12.8) My mistake only strengthens my overall point. The current run of the Simpsons (averaging 3.5m) is not nearly as popular as the show's peek.

Like I said, not rising to the trolling Pickmans. Your petty point scoring and nitpicking is really fucking tedious and odious at this point. Give it a rest or get a new schtick.
 
Ratings has been constituently falling throughout the shows run, peaking at round 11/12 million during the shows most successful (and best) series (the 1st ten) and falling steadily as the show declined.
out of curiosity, is this an aberration for long-running shows or is it something the simpsons has in common with other programmes?
 
Where did I lie? I mixed up Last Exit to Brooklyn with Last Exit to Springfield (a honest mistake since the Simpsons episode title is a homage to the former) and I said the show was watched by 11 million people (when in fact it was watched by 12.8) My mistake only strengthens my overall point. The current run of the Simpsons (averaging 3.5m) is not nearly as popular as the show's peek.

Like I said, not rising to the trolling Pickmans. Your petty point scoring and nitpicking is really fucking tedious and odious at this point. Give it a rest or get a new schtick.
if you're going to stick to the facts then you should note the episode was watched by 12.8m HOUSEHOLDS as i said above, so something in the region of 18-20m PEOPLE, allowing for a household to average 1.5 to 1.8 people, which would probably be an underestimate. this demonstrates the greater extent of the programme's popularity decline - people who grew up with the programme and might have been expected to stick with it, have abandoned it. now i haven't had the chance to read the long article but i suppose its main findings are the same as the wiki note on the decline as it changed from being a touching sitcom to one which struggled ever harder for laughs at the expense of plot (i oversimplify). as i've looked i've become more in sympathy with your main points, but i wonder what you think could have been done to arrest and perhaps reverse this decline.
 
Honestly I don't think it's possible. With a few possible exceptions no artist, or group of artists (be they musicians, film makers, authors) whatever can consistently produce output over nearly a quarter century that is fresh original and constantly good. Its why I think the Simpsons should have stopped 10 years ago, going y'know what the writing just isn't as good as it was, we've said everything we can say with these characters and this world, lets just lay this to rest.

If you look at the credited writers of the show
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Simpsons_writers It's a various whos who of Hollywood. Many of the best writers have left the show and created other iconic tv shows and movies. (Not just futurama)

I think the reason the Simpsons trundles along is that it is written by a team of writers, and because its animation, the acting talent have been happy because for a actors it's very nice gig. If a writer or actor leaves (or famlous dies, they're replaced) because it's a large ensemble they absorb the loss and carry on in a reduced. So as Crispy's article points out its kind of a zombie Simpsons carried on by inertia. It's ratings are good/not awful and the show still makes money, so it limps along.

If the Simpsons had been a live action show it would have died many many many years ago.
 
Honestly I don't think it's possible. With a few possible exceptions no artist, or group of artists (be they musicians, film makers, authors) whatever can consistently produce output over nearly a quarter century that is fresh original and constantly good. Its why I think the Simpsons should have stopped 10 years ago, going y'know what the writing just isn't as good as it was, we've said everything we can say with these characters and this world, lets just lay this to rest.

I think the reason the Simpsons trundles along is that it is written by a team of writers, and because its animation, the acting talent have been happy because for a actors it's very nice gig. If a writer or actor leaves (or famlous dies, they're replaced) because it's a large ensemble they absorb the loss and carry on in a reduced. So as Crispy's article points out its kind of a zombie Simpsons carried on by inertia. It's ratings are good/not awful and the show still makes money, so it limps along.

If the Simpsons had been a live action show it would have died many many many years ago.
yeh perhaps one of the weaknesses that no one gets aulder, so a wide range of plots will never really happen
 
yeh perhaps one of the weaknesses that no one gets aulder, so a wide range of plots will never really happen

Exactly Barts been in the 7th Grade for 25 years now with Mrs Crabobel as his teacher. Homer has been working at the Poweplant for so long he should be retired, but instead the writers keep coming up with new jobs for homer (and they keep making up excuses for Homers new job. You can't keep dipping into the same well for stories and consistently expect something new and dynamic. I dont care how good a writers or team of writers.

I think thats why people who were fans of the show constantly wish for the show to die, the continuation of the Simpsons dilutes the memory of the show which at its peek was consistently one of the funniest sharpest tv shows ever made. They time of the Simspons to have gone away gracefully was about 10 years, and watching the show now evokes seeing the Rolling Stones releasing albums and touring in the 90s, and you just want them to fucking quit.
 
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