The Planes that never were
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Horten Ho-229 
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Horten Ho-229
Wouldn't this have been essentially unflyable, given the instability of the design?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
No, it flew fine although apparently it was a bit of a handful on approach. Erwin Ziller was supposed to have beaten an Me-262 in a dogfight in the second prototype and flew it at 500mph. Ziller was killed by an engine failure hopefully due to sabotage by slave labour at the Junkers factory.
Idris2002
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Well, it's nice to think so (and thanks for the response).
How much (if any) of what the Horten brothers did is present in today's similar looking aircraft? Did they get paperclipped after 1945?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The Hortens legged it to Argentina once festivities ended where they tried to build cargo aircraft with little success.
The Northrop-Grumman pedigree in flying wing designs predates WW2 and so wasn't directly influenced by the Hortens' work. Jack Northrop drew influence from earlier American and French designers. (As did the Hortens.)
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
But we don't need to go and refill spy satellites with 60 miles of film anymore.... Although perhaps retro espionage could be a kind of cool thing.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Do hang gliders get a look-in?
The Ryan XV-8 Flexwing.
Good for dropping everything from your ass, to missiles and re-entry vehicles from space plus much inbetween.
From the ever amazing and inspiring collection of the SDASM Archives - SDASM Archives
Which if you take the time to have a good dig contains a great number of one-offs, special projects and mad ideas from Convair/General Dynamics and associated companies.
And yes, they did get something in the air:
The Ryan XV-8 Flexwing.
Good for dropping everything from your ass, to missiles and re-entry vehicles from space plus much inbetween.
From the ever amazing and inspiring collection of the SDASM Archives - SDASM Archives
Which if you take the time to have a good dig contains a great number of one-offs, special projects and mad ideas from Convair/General Dynamics and associated companies.
And yes, they did get something in the air:
Boeing idea (probably just wanted some pork) never got off the drawing board. Like the spruce goose it would fly very low to exploit the ground effect. It might be an idea that appears in the future when most cargo is flown by robots and the costs are similar to ships.
Boeing Pelican - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Boeing Pelican - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Do hang gliders get a look-in?
The Ryan XV-8 Flexwing.
Good for dropping everything from your ass, to missiles and re-entry vehicles from space plus much inbetween.
From the ever amazing and inspiring collection of the SDASM Archives - SDASM Archives
Which if you take the time to have a good dig contains a great number of one-offs, special projects and mad ideas from Convair/General Dynamics and associated companies.
And yes, they did get something in the air:
Gemini with wing. They have just got one of the two test models at the Leicester Space Centre.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Blohm und Voss P170 Schnellbomber. This was probably a decent concept from the ever fertile mind of Doktor Vogt but the design was overlooked by Ehard Milch's (Luftwaffe head of aircraft production) increasingly manic obsession with jet engines.
Charming historical footnote: At the end of the war Feldmarschall Milch surrended his marshal's baton with great ceremony to a British army Brigadier who duly accepted the baton and broke it over the Nazi's head.
Charming historical footnote: At the end of the war Feldmarschall Milch surrended his marshal's baton with great ceremony to a British army Brigadier who duly accepted the baton and broke it over the Nazi's head.
gosub
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Blohm und Voss P170 Schnellbomber. This was probably a decent concept from the ever fertile mind of Doktor Vogt but the design was overlooked by Ehard Milch's (Luftwaffe head of aircraft production) increasingly manic obsession with jet engines.
Charming historical footnote: At the end of the war Feldmarschall Milch surrended his marshal's baton with great ceremony to a British army Brigadier who duly accepted the baton and broke it over the Nazi's head.
Fuel tank to engine ratio looks shit
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It was a very efficient low drag design and the central fuselage is one giant fuel tank ~6,200lbs. I didn't know that number. There are limits even to my tragically encyclopeadic knowledge of aircraft. I had to look it up in my copy of Luftwaffe Secret Projects: Ground Attack and Special Purpose Aircraft.
gosub
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Hand n't figured on the rear of the engine gondoliers being fuel tanks, 2000litre each apparently. Say 0.69 kg/l
Empty weight 9100kg. Max take off weight 13300kg.......I now know who came up with the addition tanks on the ACJ319
Idris2002
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Which you keep under the bed, with your back issues of Big Ones Monthly.
"The Avro 730 was a planned Mach 3 reconnaissance aircraft and strategic bomber for the Royal Air Force. If it had proceeded into service, the aircraft would have replaced the V bombers as the primary nuclear weapons delivery system for Britain's nuclear deterrent.[2] It was cancelled in 1957 along with other development on manned aircraft as part of the 1957 Defence White Paper."
Avro 730 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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X-48B still in development
It kinda looks like a normal-sized plane at first but then...
SikhWarrioR
And the Worms ate into his brain
Fairey Rotordyne.
If we were all deaf it would have been great.
Could be one to revisit appearenty the yanks felt threatened by its combination of heavy lift capacities and cost v chinnock I once read
Idris2002
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East Germany's attempt to build a passenger jet, the Baade 152. Never got beyond the first steps.
Baade 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baade 152: The First German Airliner That Never Flew Passengers - AirlineReporter
According to this piece from 1959, that was likely due to the inability of the wider DDR economy to support it, something they hoped to fix via deals with the other side.
1959 - 0863.PDF
Idris2002
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Yes, but you could die a happy Nazi, saying "hey at least I'm flying the SCHNELLBOMBER", as you plummeted to your doom.
gosub
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corkscrew more than plummet
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What year was this?Fokker's proposal for an early - if not the first - jet airliner:
Hulot
Ooh, me parts!
They exhibited a model of it at the Paris Air Show of 1946.
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