The Islamic state

[elbows]

Thanks. He doesn't need to be on this thread anyway since even when he is somewhat on topic he just wants to go on about Turkey all the time, and there is another thread about Turkey, ISIS and the Kurds where he can play that game.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're wasting your time arguing here Phil, brainwashed lackeys of corporate fascism will never change.

Site is well fucked up.

Your thinking phil is actually arguing from conviction, rather than a wish to shit-stir, is what's fucked up.

 

[frogwoman]

Im still interested in who these 'lackeys of corporate fascism' are, and how al Baghdadi could/should be able to run his caliphate along 7th century lines in a 'different' way without the population rising up and overthrowing him.

 

[Pickman's model]

Im still interested in who these 'lackeys of corporate fascism' are, and how al Baghdadi could/should be able to run his caliphate along 7th century lines in a 'different' way without the population rising up and overthrowing him.

you saw yesterday where a desire for the answers can get you.

 

[frogwoman]

you saw yesterday where a desire for the answers can get you.

Its the whole 'not in the way it's happening'. What other way could it happen? If al baghdadi wants to set up a 'state for all muslims' in an existing country, that will force everyone to live by thousands of years old rules, destroy all statues and anything thats a sign of idolatry, etc, in preparation for some battle thats going to herald the end of the world, then obviously people are going to resist unless extreme violence was used, even if al baghdadi was a nice well meaning type rather than a sadistic rapist. So i would be interested to know how exactly things could go differently.

 

[Pickman's model]

Its the whole 'not in the way it's happening'. What other way could it happen? If al baghdadi wants to set up a 'state for all muslims' in an existing country, that will force everyone to live by thousands of years old rules, destroy all statues and anything thats a sign of idolatry, etc, in preparation for some battle thats going to herald the end of the world, then obviously people are going to resist, even if al baghdadi was a nice well meaning type rather than a sadistic rapist. So i would be interested to know how exactly things could go differently.

i expect that all the muslims who think like al baghdadi could fit in the islamic state. but there's millions upon millions of muslims who want nothing to do with his caliphate, who abhor his version of islam. & he doesn't seem the sort to compromise.

 

[frogwoman]

i expect that all the muslims who think like al baghdadi could fit in the islamic state. but there's millions upon millions of muslims who want nothing to do with his caliphate, who abhor his version of islam. & he doesn't seem the sort to compromise.

Interestingly i read the other day that theres a sufi militia in somalia who are fighting against al shabaab and sharia law being imposed. I had always thought sufis were pacifists but needs must eh

 

[Pickman's model]

Interestingly i read the other day that theres a sufi militia in somalia who are fighting against al shabaab and sharia law being imposed. I had always thought sufis were pacifists but needs must eh

a pacifist is of course someone who hasn't been slapped yet.

 

[elbows]

i expect that all the muslims who think like al baghdadi could fit in the islamic state. but there's millions upon millions of muslims who want nothing to do with his caliphate, who abhor his version of islam. & he doesn't seem the sort to compromise.

If governance is pulled off successfully and is sustained, then I assume that beneath the uncompromising rhetoric, compromise lurks, at least on some fronts.

The normalcy that humans have little choice but to seek, even under grotesquely abnormal circumstances, is a fascinating thing that we don't get to glimpse often enough via the media.

 

[frogwoman]

a pacifist is of course someone who hasn't been slapped yet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahlu_Sunna_Waljama'a

 

[frogwoman]

This will end well

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-account-combat-islamic-state-propaganda-isis

The Foreign Office has launched ‘UK against Isil’ to provide updates on government’s efforts to defeat terror group

In December 2013 the US state department launched its “Think Again Turn Away” Twitter account, which claims to tell “some truths about terrorism” and tweets counter-messaging material, addressing prominent jihadi accounts.

Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence Group,wrote in Time magazine that the account was “not only ineffective, but also provides jihadis with a stage to voice their arguments, regularly engaging in petty disputes with fighters and supporters of groups like IS, al-Qaida and al-Shabaab, and arguing over who has killed more people while exchanging sarcastic quips”.

http://time.com/3387065/isis-twitter-war-state-department/

Illustrating these discussions is, for instance, one initiated on September 4 when an IS-supporting account, under the handle @de_BlackRose, showed gruesome pictures of tortured prisoners from the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal in 2003-2004 along with the message: “REMEMBER HOW YOU AMERICA ARRESTED AND HUMILIATED OUR BROTHERS IN IRAQ AND HUMILIATED THEM IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!”

Following a couple of messages of support, the Think Again Turn Away account responded, “US troops are punished for misconduct, #ISIS fighters are rewarded,” along with a collage of U.S. soldiers interacting happily with children in the Middle East.

Even worse, Sulayman is not just another AQ supporter, but an AQ official! The irony is ugly: When State Department makes a series of tweets about the horrors of 9/11 and attacking those that committed it, it also tweets directly to an AQ leader, providing legitimization to the account of the same people who committed the attacks.

 

[frogwoman]

https://www.academia.edu/15168635/P..._in_the_Islamic_State_s_Social_Media_Strategy

Paradigmatic Shifts in Jihadism in Cyberspace:The Emerging Role of Unaffiliated Sympathizers in the Islamic States Social Media Strategy

This paper provides an overview of the evolution of the concept of jihadism as it presently exists in cyberspace. From its roots during the Chechen conflict to the currentuse of social media by the Islamic State (IS), this paper identifies and examines threehighly significant paradigm shifts: (1) the emergence of rudimentary Web 2.0 platformsand jihadist forums; (2) the advent of advanced Web 2.0 and social media platforms asmethods of spreading jihadism; and (3) and shift towards lone wolf terrorism. In this paper, the author argues that the IS's extensive reliance on unaffiliated sympathizers, whoeither re-tweet or re-post content produced and authorized by the IS leadership can be seen as a groundbreaking paradigm shift in the evolution of jihadism in cyberspace. Furthermore, it is also argued IS strategy of empowering of unaffiliated sympathizers represents a further development in the evolution of jihadism in cyberspace and can best be understood as an attempt to normalize and legitimize IS's existence through its efforts to dominate the IS narrative across social media platforms.

 

[frogwoman]

https://dzundersiege.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/isis-threatens-deir-ezzor-doctors/

Daesh threatens Deir Ezzor doctors

After ISIS members’ increasing demand of doctors in Deir Ezzor province to get medical reports which could give them excused from being on the frontlines. The medical department’s responsible person in Deir Ezzor (Wilayat Al-Khair) Dr. Abo Adam Al-Masri publishing a statement using which he threatens doctors in the province with big punishments and penalties in case the reports weren’t true.

The penalties start from prison and financial payment until shutting down the clinic entirely in case ISIS found evidence that a medical report is flawed.

It’s important to mention that a lot of ISIS members feel depressed and bored due to the policies that ISIS is upholding and using to maginalize Al-Ansar’s (Syrian members) role and relying on Al-Muhajereen (immigrants) for the highest roles and positions, whose loyalty and honesty don’t give ISIS a second thought. And it threw Syrian members on the frontlines and the first cross-fire lines in battles.

Deir Ezzor under seige looks like a useful source of on the ground news for this stuff

 

[agricola]

https://dzundersiege.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/isis-threatens-deir-ezzor-doctors/

Daesh threatens Deir Ezzor doctors



Deir Ezzor under seige looks like a useful source of on the ground news for this stuff

... and I thought you were taking the piss when you said ATOS had been brought in for work capability assessments.

 

[frogwoman]

... and I thought you were taking the piss when you said ATOS had been brought in for work capability assessments.

Imagine if people try to go on strike at some point

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...dren-heading-from-britain-to-syria-say-police

Fucks sake.

I thought the border was closed now cos of the 'buffer zone'? Hopefully they can get them in time

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34095189

Fuck ...

 

[teqniq]

That's the same story as in your post above Froggie

 

[frogwoman]

That's the same story as in your post above Froggie

Yea i know i was just posting what her neighbour said about it.

 

[teqniq]

Ah sorry

 

[IC3D]

Neighbour Khalil Muhammadi spoke of his shock at the news, saying that he did know know the family well but that he had never noticed anything unusual.

Thanks for your time Khalil

 

[LDC]

The neighbor of someone that goes to join IS is turning into the same "Quiet, well mannered, never suspected anything.." cliche as the next door neighbor of serial killers always seems to be...

 

[LDC]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...dren-heading-from-britain-to-syria-say-police

Fucks sake.

I thought the border was closed now cos of the 'buffer zone'? Hopefully they can get them in time

What do you think should happen to them if they're found? Genuine question, and given the context we're in rather than some post-revolutionary ideal.

Brought back and no 'punishment'? Brought back and jailed/kids taken away? Kids taken and then adults left to go? Some other option?

What a mess.

 

[frogwoman]

Iraqi shia militia releases horrific video of isis fighter being sliced up and burnt

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/isis-iraq-iraqi-rambo-abu-113640464.html

The video has been met with a mixed response online, with some people furious that Azrael and the Iraqi militia have sunk to the same lows as Isis by filming gruesome videos. According to the Daily Mail, Ali Khedery, chief executive of risk management firm Dragoman Partners, wrote: "War crimes are never justifiable. Horrific video featuring a war crime by Iraq's Abu Azrael."

Regardless of who this guy was stuff like this is what daesh is gonna derive legitimacy from. Of course its nothing compared to what they have done but I cant really see this as a positive development tbh

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-arrests...rebelling-against-islamic-state-group-2074093

The Islamic State group, also known as ISIS, arrested at least 70 people in Anbar province Saturday who were attending the funeral of a man who was executed by the militant group, Anbar officials told the Associated Press. However, a separate report from Iraq news outlet Shafaq News suggested that as many as 200 people may have been detained.

Bassem Eid Ammash, the speaker of the Anbar Provincial Council, told Shafaq that after the burial, the attendees demonstrated against ISIS and its practices, and the group fired back. “[The] ISIS organization arrested about 200 citizens of Rutba people, having acted with the demonstrators violently, through the launch of bullets above them to disperse them, as demonstrators refused to end their protest," Ammash told Shafaq.

Agence France-Presse reporter Ammar Karim, stationed in Baghdad, confirmed the arrests via Twitter, saying that the group planned to kill the people it had taken.

The protesters were mourning the death of Rutba resident Nathir al-Kubaisi, who was executed for “attacking one of ISIS elements in Rutba market and killing an ISIS element with a light weapon,” Ammash told Shafaq. He had been arrested and executed by gunfire in front of his family and relatives Friday.

RIP

Strength and solidarity with the protesters.

 

[teqniq]

Erm...

 

[frogwoman]

Wasnt Ron Paul banging on about this a few years ago

 

[frogwoman]

Apparently one gold dinar will be worth $139

Someone ought to tell Daesh thats not how capitalism works and ive seen some loons on twitter saying its a conspiracy to get people to associate the gold standard with isis

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently one gold dinar will be worth $139

Someone ought to tell Daesh thats not how capitalism works and ive seen some loons on twitter saying its a conspiracy to get people to associate the gold standard with isis

good news for numismatists

 

[J Ed]

Apparently one gold dinar will be worth $139

Someone ought to tell Daesh thats not how capitalism works and ive seen some loons on twitter saying its a conspiracy to get people to associate the gold standard with isis

Ron Paul is actually mentioned in the vid they put out about it

I wonder if you'll get a few idiot right-wing libertarian allies of Daesh now, they're pretty gullible and easily won over with basic sophistry...