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coley said:
TBF, they are fighting for survival they haven't the luxury of having the time to 'train up' idealistic teenagers...
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I expect you are right.

In contrast, however, the IS seems very successful at incorporating (mostly young) volunteers from across the Muslim-dominated world and from many European countries, despite language barriers and the fact that very many of the volunteers have no military experience or training.
 
Patteran said:
"19-YEAR-OLD HERISH ALI, a British-Kurd, said he requested to join the YPG along with five other European Kurds in August but YPG border guards rejected them on the Iraq-Syria border."
Interesting that the YPG, unlike their adversaries, won't take anyone just bowling up, presumably because of the potential problem of disaffected adventurists with no military training diluting the frontline & taking up scarce resources. Poor Ali must be gutted, though - knocked back by the YPG then Peshmerga. Maybe there's something he can help with in the border refugee camps instead.

(ETA - I wasn't being snide about the kid - I'm sure there's other ways to show willing & express solidarity over there without joining the cutting edge of the armed resistance)
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I'm sure it was a knock back but 'go back to europe and finish studying' is the right thing to do, for them and for him imo. IS would have strapped a bomb to a 19 YO volounteer and waved him on his way
JHE said:
I expect you are right.

In contrast, however, the IS seems very successful at incorporating (mostly young) volunteers from across the Muslim-dominated world and from many European countries, despite language barriers and the fact that very many of the volunteers have no military experience or training.
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PR and cannon fodder.
 
JHE said:
I expect you are right.

In contrast, however, the IS seems very successful at incorporating (mostly young) volunteers from across the Muslim-dominated world and from many European countries, despite language barriers and the fact that very many of the volunteers have no military experience or training.
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I will try find the source again but there was an interview with an IS member , who ended up in their ranks through joining anti -Assad groups , he spoke about the disdain that European recruits to IS were held in, how they brought zero practical skills , and for the most part were used as cannon fodder or suicide bombers
 
Limerick Red said:
I will try find the source again but there was an interview with an IS member , who ended up in their ranks through joining anti -Assad groups , he spoke about the disdain that European recruits to IS were held in, how they brought zero practical skills , and for the most part were used as cannon fodder or suicide bombers
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There are many ways into ISIS - one key one was through non-islamist syrian rebel groups who were starved of arms whilst nusra and then ISIS grew fat on qatari and saudi donations - so they moved to where the arms were to fight the regime. Then success happened. The FSA and other non-salafi or beardie groups were strangled - quite deliberately - in order to make sure any sort of wider social revolution would not gain legs.
 
JHE said:
... or to put it another way, they are given the cherished honour of becoming martyrs and so going straight to heaven...

That's what they want. They believe their shit.
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That doesn't makwe them effective fighters. And i doesn't mean they cannot be military liabilities. Look at the bodies rotting around kobane. Look at the bodies the beardies leave of their own dead - after cutting of their comrades heads to avoid identification. You can build a few battles when the going is good around such clowns, you can't build a war against a determined and equipped enemy.
 
JHE said:
I expect you are right.

In contrast, however, the IS seems very successful at incorporating (mostly young) volunteers from across the Muslim-dominated world and from many European countries, despite language barriers and the fact that very many of the volunteers have no military experience or training.
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True, but that's more for propaganda purposes and they have no qualms about shoving a rifle into the hands of impressionable youngsters and urging them to die for Allah, while the hard core keep their heads down.
ETA, I see it's already been answered.
Anybody got any news on the convoy?
 
JHE said:
... or to put it another way, they are given the cherished honour of becoming martyrs and so going straight to heaven...

That's what they want. They believe their shit.
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Well funnily enough the article addressed the complete lack if theological knowledge of western recruits, alluded to the "Qu'ran for dummies" that two wannabe jihadis had purchased on Amazon. There are a lot of major contradictions within the western people who end up "martyrs", is unemployment, lack of oppertunity, high grade skunk, battlefield/call of duty, boredom, as much factors as theological indocternation. Obviously a generalisation but...
 
coley said:
True, but that's more for propaganda purposes and they have no qualms about shoving a rifle into the hands of impressionable youngsters and urging them to die for Allah, while the hard core keep their heads down.
ETA, I see it's already been answered.
Anybody got any news on the convoy?
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Still waiting for arrival.

Was expecting big isis blitz before it arrived.
 
It's a bit odd, innit, the apparent lack of secrecy or concern about the imminent arrival of reinforcements & a load of top quality gear in an area with contested & fluid lines of control. I've rarely seen a military operation covered with such detailed updates. 'Just leaving now! Yeah, we're meeting the rest at the border, with all the new guns and that. See you in a bit!'
 
Now at Çukobirlik Facilities b/w Urfa & Mursitpinar - turkish authories hold them up apparently. Via @r3sho who has been a good source before.

If anything does happen to the convoy it will detonate all over turkey.
 
Whilst we wait - why we should say kobani.:

Shahînê Bekirê Soreklî

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE KURDISH TOWN KOBANI

There are three Kurdish regions in Syria: The Afrin (Efrîn) district, located in north west of the Syrian city Aleppo, the Jazira district, located in north east Syria at the corner between the Iraqi, the Turkish and the Syrian parts of Kurdistan and the Kobani district, located in northern Syria. While all the three border Turkey, they are not attached inside Syria. In other words, non-Kurdish areas separate them.

Kobani lies 150 kilometers north east of Aleppo and 35 kilometers east of the point where the Euphrates enters Syria. The district consists of Kobani itself and more than 300 villages and farms. This town cannot be found in the Ottoman archives, as it was founded after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Unfortunately it has mistakenly been called "Kobanê" or "Kobane" in some reports lately. Currently the whole district, including the town of Kobani, is almost totally empty of a population that was estimated at close to half a million before the Syrian uprising.

While the village of Murshidpinar ("Kaniya Murshid" in Kurdish, now the west part of Kobani) and Arabpinar ("Kaniya Ereban" in Kurdish, now the eastern part of Kobani) can be found in the archives preceding the fall of the Ottoman Empire, "Kobani" (or Kobane) cannot. It is possible the German engineers who helped build Baghdad-Berlin railway may have used the spot between Murshidpinar and Arabpinar, that had a creek passing through, as a base for the workers, however, it was the French, who had the mandate over Syria until 1946, who built the little town. It first started as a camp for French soldiers and the local militia they formed (During my own childhood, I knew some of those who served in the French militia). Then the French used the Armenians who crossed over from Turkey escaping the prosecution to open shops, cafes and restaurants with the help of the local Kurds. The name of the town comes from the name used by the French: Company. The Kurds later pronounced it as Kobani.

The Arabic name "Ain-el-Arab" is the translation of the name "Arabpinar" (now the eastern part of Kobani) as was in the Ottoman archives. Both "Arabpinar" and the Kurdish name "Kaniya Ereban" as well as the Arabic name "Ain-el-Arab" mean "The Arab Spring." According to my father’s generation, it was called so because in the older times Arab Bedouins used to bring their herds in summer to this spot to drink. This practice continued until the seventies. They used to buy the wheat fields from their Kurdish owners after harvest to graze their sheep.

The name "Kobanê" started when someone wrote “Bi xêr hatin Kobanê” (Welcome to “Kobanê”) at the entrance of the town by mistake. This was after the beginning of the Syrian uprising, probably in 2011. According to the grammatical rule in Kurmanji Kurdish, it should have been written “Bi xêr hatin Kobaniyê” but it seems the writer did not know the rule, as Kurdish was not taught in Syria. Indeed it would have been better to just leave it as “Kobanî” as the inhabitants of the region used the name in this form regardless of the word’s position in the sentence.

I was born in this region and grew up there. Our people know this town as “Kobanî.” Unfortunately, the source that made the mistake stubbornly refused to ratify the mistake and now uses the false name “Kobanê” that has become “Kobane” in some publications as a political stamp. Even some sections of the Sorani Kurdish Media in Kurdistan Region (“Northern Iraq”) that do not use the Kurmanji Latin Alphabet seem to have chosen the false name of the town they do not appear to have known prior to the ISIS catastrophe.

For the sake of history and as respect for those who built this town and lived in it we implore to individuals, politicians, journalists and editors to kindly use the correct name of the town/district: Kobani.

Chahin Baker, BA, Dip.Ed.
Kurdish Australian educator, writer (pen name: Shahîn Bekir Soreklî) and journalist. Head of the Kurdish Language Program, SBS Radio in Australia)
 
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Timely reminder given erdogan has been playing word games over the name "Ain-el-Arab" recently
 
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or the general 'Syria' thread - short, optimistic film from Al Qamishli, about a Christian militia operating alongside the PYD within the northern autonomous (autonomist?) canton.

'There is no better place than Al Qamishli in Syria, and I consider it the capital of love and peace'

 
Isis publicly executes leading lawyer and human rights activist in Iraq

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Militants kidnapped and tortured Samira Saleh al-Naimi for five days before executing her

Isis militants have publically executed Samira Salih al-Nuaimi, a leading lawyer and human rights activist, who the terror group claimed that had abandoned Islam.

Al-Nuaimi was kidnapped by Isis (also known as Islamic State) on 17 September after she allegedly criticised the militant group’s destruction of places of worship in Mosul, Iraq, since it had taken control of the city, in comments posted on Facebook.

She was then kidnapped from her home by a group of masked men and tried in a self-styled Sharia court for apostasy, which for the militants is considered to be an act of abandoning Islam by converting to another faith, or by committing actions that are against the Muslim faith.

The militants then tortured al-Nuaimi for five days.

Al-Nuaimi, who according to the Gulf Centre For Human Rights had worked on detainee rights and poverty, was then sentenced to “public execution” and killed on Monday.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nd-human-rights-activist-in-iraq-9756197.html

Fucking deranged thugs. The only good ISIS member is a dead ISIS member.
 
Another teenger from brighton has died in syria
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1156..._after_his_brother_suffered_same_fate/?ref=mr
A young Muslim whose brother died fighting in war-torn Syria has also been killed, their father has said.

Jaffar Deghayes, 17, is believed to have died at the weekend after leaving home near Brighton earlier this year in a bid to overthrow dictator Bashar Al-Assad's government.


His brother, Abdullah, 18, died in Latakia province in April after leaving the UK in January to reportedly take up arms with Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaida-affiliated group.

Yesterday the pair's brother, Amer, 20, who also travelled to Syria, relayed news of the death of Jaffar to their father, Abubaker Deghayes, back home in Saltdean, East Sussex.

Mr Deghayes said: "Amer sent me a message via the internet. All I know is that (Jaffar) was fighting against Assad and was killed in battle.

"I don't know much else. I can only hope and pray to God to accept him and have mercy on him."

The Deghayes brothers are the nephew of Omar Deghayes, who was held by the United States as an enemy combatant at Guantanamo Bay detention camp between 2002 and 2007 after he was arrested in Pakistan.
 
likesfish said:
Another teenger from brighton has died in syria

A young Muslim whose brother died fighting in war-torn Syria has also been killed, their father has said.

Jaffar Deghayes, 17, is believed to have died at the weekend after leaving home near Brighton earlier this year in a bid to overthrow dictator Bashar Al-Assad's government.


His brother, Abdullah, 18, died in Latakia province in April after leaving the UK in January to reportedly take up arms with Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaida-affiliated group.
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thanx. cheered me up that. two dead jihadicks :cool:
 
Some bad bad rumours doing the rounds suggesting the peshmerga have been detained and stripped of uniforms and weapons by the turkish military and stuck in a warehouse. Stress that there's no confirmation of this - but the usual sources are reporting the existence of the rumour.
 
butchersapron said:
Some bad bad rumours doing the rounds suggesting the peshmerga have been detained and stripped of uniforms and weapons by the turkish military and stuck in a warehouse. Stress that there's no confirmation of this - but the usual sources are reporting the existence of the rumour.
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Any links?
 
Hope I'm wrong but I've been suspecting something like this, when IS didn't intensify it's attacks as soon as word of this 'relief column' became widely known.
 
coley said:
Hope I'm wrong but I've been suspecting something like this, when IS didn't intensify it's attacks as soon as word of this 'relief column' became widely known.
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Not sure if they didn't. Reports over the last 24 hours of a strong push towards the border post by the beardies, which was apparently repulsed. Lots of airstrikes just inside the border also
 
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