The Islamic state

[frogwoman]

perhaps if we hadn't been such ardent supporters of 'pak' suharto in his war to murder anyone who was even just a trade unionist then allow his country to be opened up for hyper exploitative child labour, let the supervisor fuck you or starve special economic zones, the people wearing the trinkets of capitalism might not be so inclined to hold some credence to the slick vice-video propaganda of IS.

I don't excuse actions of individuals but in indonesia, we helped to discredit the very idea of democracy and so no wonder people turn to the old ways, as they see them. Expressed by IS. I suspect them lads would not think much of life under the caliphate but its an alternative offered and indonesia is the largest muslim populated state in the world (I don't mean we as in us, we as in the western and US powers).

According to a thing ive just been reading the indonesian govt has encouraged discrimination against Shias:

As Chiara Fomichi,
a well-known specialist on Indonesian
Islam said in an interview, throughout the
1980s-1990s, anti-Shia attitudes were limited
to government and religious organisations’
statements, requesting the Indonesian
ummah to hold on to their Sunni traditions
and “stay away” from Shia Islam. This was
not exactly a positive attitude towards Shias;
however, no physical confrontation ever took
place. Even when the frst attacks occurred
in the early and mid-2000s, these were minor
incidents which were dealt with locally and
exploring the relevant social, economic and
political rationales, with no suggestion that
tensions could be eased by Shias converting
to Sunnism. In 2012-2013, a Shia religious
school and several houses were burnt in the
so-called Sampang Incident, which led a
hundred Shiites to fee from Madura to Java.
The government’s diffdent attitude — the
Shia villagers might be able to return to their
homes if they considered “returning to the true
teachings of Islam,” implicitly encourages
“open season” on Muslim minorities by
fanatics.

http://www.rsis.edu.sg/wp-content/u...1_The_Impact_of_the_Islamic_State_in_Asia.pdf

Massive poverty and inequality and a government thats incapable and unwilling to stop the root causes of this shit

 

[frogwoman]

Fuck...

In a speech, bin Zein al-Kaff said “It’s time that we declared jihad against them…We should not tolerate them anymore.”

Another part of the alliance, the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) had its members attend wearing black ski masks and camouflage clothing, with shirts that said “Heresy Hunters.”

The Jakarta Globe quotes the group’s leader, Tardjono Abu Muas, as saying “We all have to understand that Shia has tainted the true Islamic teaching… Our government should be like the Malaysian government.” The Malaysian government has increasingly banned the practice of Shia Islam within their country, and has been criticized by Human Rights Watch for human rights violations against the Shiite minority.

Another leader in the organization, Athian Ali said that more than 100 Muslim clerics attended the event.

Indonesia looks seriously fucked up. This is an article about an 'anti shia alliance' convention in Indonesia that is being supported by local politicians. Wtf. Seriously fucked up. No wonder ISIS are finding it easy to recruit there since the govt seriously doesnt seem to give a shit about this or any other social problems in the country. Malaysia has banned Shia Islam too. Wtf ...

http://www.commdiginews.com/world-n...-sectarian-purging-16020/#4XPskIkOGkK1ORlG.99

According to DureanAsean, Indonesia has a history of antipathy towards Shias, reporting “[Indonesian] Religious Affairs Minister Suryadharma Ali previously called Shia Islam heretical, saying that it deviated from principal Islamic teachings.

“Persecution of Shia followers has escalated in the past few years. In 2012, Tajul Muluk, a Shia leader from Sampang, East Java, was sentenced to two years’ imprisonment for blasphemy.

“In the same year, a mob set fire to dozens of Shiite homes in Sampang, killing two Shia followers and forcing hundreds of others to take refuge in Sidoarjo, around 100 kilometers away.”

The Jakarta Post reported that after the Sampang burning “Some [victims] were even forced to convert to Sunni beliefs if they wished to return home.”

Last year, Indonesian Shiite leader Iklil Al Milal protested a decision to give an award to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono for religious tolerance in Indonesia. “We are living as if in prison. We no longer get food rations and there has been no security guarantee from the state,” said Milal at a public forum, speaking to conditions Indonesian Shias faced after the Sampang attacks.

Wtf

 

[teqniq]

 

[J Ed]

DotCommunist yup

These are the middle classes (the mosque is by the US embassy in an exclusive neighbourhood) i suspect some (not all) have led lives of unimaginable privilege compared to most people in the west let alone indonesia, and a well developed sense of entitlement, i suspect it could be that, that combined with the factors you describe, and the fear of losing their status thats led to them going to join daesh

It does seem to be, at least in the West and other areas, financially very privileged people who are in the main attracted to ISIS. I wonder why that is

 

[LDC]

Are they the most attracted, or is it the ones you hear the most about are the ones that have the money to travel there?

 

[frogwoman]

http://net.hr/danas/svijet/egipatski-novinar-dzihadisti-nisu-slucajno-oteli-tomislava-salopeka/

Article here which seems to say that Daesh knew what they were doing when they kidnapped Salopek.

I dont know if anyone has discussed the possibility that Daesh may have kidnapped a Croat deliberately to stir up ethnic hatred in the Balkans? A few days ago Croatia had its anniversary of Operation Storm and some Croatian nationalists celebrated it by singing Ustasha songs and anti serb marches, serb nationalists responded by for example having demos where Croatian flags were burnt. For a lot of people it seems it wouldnt take much ...

Meanwhile nobody knows whats happened to him
I cant imagine what his family and friends are going through. From what ive read he seems like an ordinary working class bloke who went abroad to earn money for back home, in other words the same as many people all across europe

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=3177

This podcast by Fawaz Gerges for LSE is really good, listening now its fascinating about internal political dynamics in Iraq and how this led to the rise of Daesh. Very scathing about the American invasion and the dysfunctional system put in place following the invasion. Goes into a lot of detail about this.

butchersapron sihhi

 

[frogwoman]

Seems nobody knows whats happened to poor Tomislav Salopek with the croatian and egyptian govt still trying to get him released. That story has really upset me as it could be anyone in his place, hes just some guy trying to earn money. And the media arent helping by gleefully publishing stories that he is dead when he could well still be alive.

 

[Idris2002]

Good luck with that, lads.

"Habasha" was the name of one of the tribes that crossed from the Arabian peninsula to what is now highland Ethiopia/Eritrea 2700 years ago. So I'm not sure how they fit that into their wider vision. Or is it a sign of an ethnic tendency in their thinking?

 

[teqniq]

As Rifts Open Up in Syria’s al-Qaeda Franchise, Secrets Spill Out

In July, the al-Qaeda branch known as the Nusra Front expelled one of its founding members a man known as Saleh al-Hamawi. As described in Friday’s post, another founding member of the group, Abu Maria al-Qahtani, has reportedly been sidelined and stripped of power.

With the Syrian jihadis’ internal debates increasingly spilling online, one recent social media posting has revealed new details about the Nusra Front’s mysterious leader, Abu Mohammad al-Golani, and the self-proclaimed Islamic State’s “caliph” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi....

 

[frogwoman]

Article from feb arguing that 'ISIS' in Afghanistan isn't really the real thing and is in fact disgruntled Taliban supporters, with far less brutality and reluctance to raise the daesh flag for fear of 'controversy' (!)

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.or...tate-in-afghanistan-what-threat-does-it-hold/

Khadem’s aide raised a few other differences between the nascent IS group and the ‘Islamic Emirate’, but they all qualified as secondary reasons for leaving the Taleban. They were: the unknown status and whereabouts of “Amir ul-Mominin Mullah Muhammad Omar Mujahid,” as Mirwais still called him (curiously, as allegiance to Baghdadi as khalifa – caliph – should have meant he no longer recognised Omar as ‘Commander of the Faithful’); the subsequent “reduction of the Emirate into a puppet of Pakistan”; the Taleban’s failure to implement hudud(specified Sharia punishments for serious crimes, such as execution for murder and amputation for robbery) in areas under its control; acknowledgement by the Taleban of national borders; and the Taleban’s condoning of the drugs trade.(5) Characteristic Daesh ideology of takfiri Salafi-jihadism, which excommunicates almost anyone who does not subscribe to its ideology as apostate or hypocrite, were totally absent from Khadem’s lieutenant’s discourse. He emphasised that his group did not preach Wahhabism and that their opposition to the few “deviant practices” standing in the way of a pure creed were something local ulama have also agreed on battling. He also said no doctrinal principals would be pursued in ways that could offend the religious sensibilities of the people and, furthermore, that there was no sectarian element to their message. In other words, ‘even’ Shias appear not to be in the Afghan IS group’s sights, again in sharp contrast to IS’s brutal anti-Shia violence in Iraq and Syria.

That might have changed by now tho...towards the end of the piece he writes that it may well do in the face of Daesh directives. Dunno whats going on in Afghanistan now tho.

I recommend the rest of that site, looks like really good solid reporting but i am not much of an expert on Afghanistan ...

 

[teqniq]

Christians flee rural Homs in wake of IS advances

 

[quiquaquo]

Strange map, why is Sicily not included?

 

[teqniq]

Who knows?

 

[J Ed]

Strange map, why is Sicily not included?

Whoever made it doesn't have a great grasp of history?

 

[frogwoman]

Well so much for the Afghan Daesh not being as bad as 'regular' Daesh.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-brutal-isis-video-afghan-prisoners-murdered

 

[SpookyFrank]

Strange map, why is Sicily not included?

Sicily wasn't under Islamic rule for very long IIRC. Or maybe Daesh just don't fancy their chances against the Cosa Nostra.

 

[Humberto]

Well so much for the Afghan Daesh not being as bad as 'regular' Daesh.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-brutal-isis-video-afghan-prisoners-murdered

Taliban coming across as reasonable compared to Isis.

 

[teqniq]

Taliban coming across as reasonable compared to Isis.

It comes to something when that is the case.

 

[quiquaquo]

Sicily wasn't under Islamic rule for very long IIRC. Or maybe Daesh just don't fancy their chances against the Cosa Nostra.

About 270 years, 827 until around 1100. The remaining Muslims were then deported to Lucera (in Puglia) where the Pope had them exterminated in 1300.

 

[teqniq]

 

[frogwoman]

Are we sure? There have been several false alarms. I really hope it's not true.

 

[teqniq]

There is a tweet with a photo of him kneeling (still alive) with one of the scumbags behind him in camo with an IS flag next to him, but I am not reposting it to give them the publicity they crave.

There is also this though

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ysuits-and-alan-henning-tshirts-10451298.html

Spanish police have arrested a man accused of selling an Isis-themed clothing range online.

Officials said designs included baby bodysuits with the militant group’s emblem and a T-shirt depicting the execution of the British aid worker Alan Henning.

According to a statement from the Spanish interior ministry, a man in Galicia of Spanish nationality has been detained on suspicion of humiliating victims of international terrorism and advocating a terrorist organisation.

 

[frogwoman]

Poor guy (salopek, not the spanish fuckwit)

 

[DotCommunist]

there is literally nothing people won't try to make a few quid from is there?

 

[teqniq]

If Daesh/IS's aim was in part to provoke some sort of response from Croatia on the execution of Tomislav Salopek it fortunately appears to have fallen on barren soil.

 

[frogwoman]

If Daesh/IS's aim was in part to provoke some sort of response from Croatia on the execution of Tomislav Salopek it fortunately appears to have fallen on barren soil.

Good.

I really hope this doesnt reignite any sort of ethnic hatred in the Balkans though.

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33863524

Should anyone ever talk to ISIS?

tbh, i'd say i hope this doesn't happen. The last thing we need is a daesh which is integrated into the structures of international capital and afforded some sort of recognition, even if it's just a limited one a la transnistria or pre 2008 abkhazia. It's a myth that integration into these structures produces 'moderation' as in the case of saudi arabia, the nazis, israel or even North Korea and its privatised 'special economic zones'

If ISIS was given even a limited form of recognition or talks opened up then a lot of corporations would then find it acceptable to sell stuff to them and countries who are funding them covertly or indirectly would find it acceptable to deal more openly with them

I dont like the fact our drone strikes are killing so many civilians and i dont agree with a military solution at all, but the idea of opening up any sort of dialogue on the part of the government imo is A Bad Idea

 

[quiquaquo]

Fuck...





Indonesia looks seriously fucked up. This is an article about an 'anti shia alliance' convention in Indonesia that is being supported by local politicians. Wtf. Seriously fucked up. No wonder ISIS are finding it easy to recruit there since the govt seriously doesnt seem to give a shit about this or any other social problems in the country. Malaysia has banned Shia Islam too. Wtf ...

http://www.commdiginews.com/world-n...-sectarian-purging-16020/#4XPskIkOGkK1ORlG.99



Wtf

Indonesian Islam has always been divided between Santri and Abangan, any Shia problems are minor in comparison.

It's the rejection of the un Islamic beliefs and practices of Abangan and Kebatinan Javanese bollocks that drive fundamentalism not certainly the tiny minority of Shia.