The Islamic state

[Casually Red]

piss taking aside, its very concerning that things are so fucked up that halfway educated female young uns think a life in the IS is a decent choice

Which would indicate western society , the one they're born into , is pretty fucked up in itself . Certainly not all its cracked up to be . And for some young people , when you see all that Faliraki Magaluf Geordie shore type shit I can certainly understand an extreme rejection of it , a revulsion towards not just the behaviour but the set of values in a society that gives license to it . Its a rebellion against the cult of the individual " do ast thou wilt " laissez faire attitudes ."Along with the drugs , the crime and all that . That can cause a genuine revulsion against what's seen as decadence and for some an even worse form of barbarism than the one they've opted into . Abandoning a dying civilisation for one in rebirth .

But that's a pretty extreme reaction to it by any standards . There's plenty of socially strict Islamic societies they could opt into if that's what they wanted .

Personally I'm starting to look at them more like colonists . Attracted to there in the same maner the whites who colonised the western states of the USA were . They were a pretty barbaric lot too come to think of it and I'm quite sure many regarded them as nutters too . Which they were/ still are .

 

[Casually Red]

although like a lot of european recruits to the cause I bet the glamour wears off fairly fast

It hasn't with that white widow , that's for sure . Although I'm quite sure there are some who've bitterly regretted their choice I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate the hold this particular cult have over their followers no matter were they originate from . Someone who's actually attracted by scenes of heads being sawn off by medeivalist fanatics isn't likely to be dissuaded all that easily .

 

[spikey_r]

Anyone know what happened to this lot or did they turn out to be edl fantasists?

i can't answer for that particular group, but there is a western contingent (comprising american, brits, canadians & koreans strangely enough) who are attached to a Peshmerga brigade (don't want to put their location less i be accused of not observing opsec) who are currently without a 'proper' role as the Pesh are loathe to see any westerners killed in battle because they fear the inevitable PR shitstorm. unlike the YPG who honour their western dead. Recruiting using social networking is still the main method

there aren't many blatant edl-types out there, but some of the volunteers do have dubious reasons for being there. others are ex-soldiers who missed Iraq/Afghanistan. uniform fetishists. 'real' ex-soldiers who need to be involved in conflict of some sort or another. some who see it as an opportunity to gain experience working in the middle-east with a view to employment opportunities at a later stage.

sorry i couldn't answer your original question, but i do know that earlier on this year an american group who were the first to start to channel volunteers to the Pesh, caused a huge problem by having a convicted sex offender amongst their ranks. and that pretty much killed it off for volunteers hoping to just turn up and join the Peshmerga, foreign legion-style. It could be that they headed off back to UK

 

[frogwoman]

Another jihadi has some er 'interesting' stuff on why he left Jabat al Nusra.

Jabhat An-Nusrah had a very hypocritical approach when it came to the fight between Dawlah and FSA. On the one side there was a group of pious brothers fighting for the return of the Shariah and on the other side there was a group of evil doers, smokers and alcoholics who were fighting for democracy.

 

[pinkychukkles]

Police criticised for not arresting man carrying Isis flag near parliament [Grauniad]



Not to be confused with the guy who flew the Isis dildo flag at Gay Pride the other week, that was breathlessly reported by CNN as being a real Isis flag and who was also spoken to by police.

 

[frogwoman]

The man was spoken to by officers, with consideration given to relevant legislation, particularly the Public Order Act. The decision was taken by officers at the time that the man was acting within the law. He was not arrested,” it said.




Wtf how does that work????

 

[Pickman's model]

The man was spoken to by officers, with consideration given to relevant legislation, particularly the Public Order Act. The decision was taken by officers at the time that the man was acting within the law. He was not arrested,” it said.




Wtf how does that work????

let's give it a go and see what happens

 

[frogwoman]

let's give it a go and see what happens

“While support of and membership of ISIS is unlawful it is not a criminal offence to advocate the creation of an independent state.”


Not just any old independent state tho is it? And its ridiculous they subject demonstrators to anti terror laws and ignore someone walking around with the isis flag!

 

[butchersapron]

I suspect the presence of the child made their mind up. That's probably what saved him from more rough and ready justice as well.

 

[frogwoman]

I suspect the presence of the child made their mind up. That's probably what saved him from more rough and ready justice as well.

Has anyone identified him? Is it an actual jihadi or someone with mental health problems?

 

[butchersapron]

Has anyone identified him? Is it an actual jihadi or someone with mental health problems?

Well the police and other agencies will now have his identity and anyone he comes into contact with for some time is going to be looked at as a matter of course. One of the lessons those agencies have learnt over the years is that you can often learn more by allowing people to carry on. All that said, i think it's more likely to be just a lone nutter. I can see why people are upset and angry, but i can't really get worked up about this.

 

[frogwoman]

Well the police and other agencies will now have his identity and anyone he comes into contact with for some time is going to be looked at as a matter of course. One of the lessons those agencies have learnt over the years is that you can often learn more by allowing people to carry on. All that said, i think it's more likely to be just a lone nutter. I can see why people are upset and angry, but i can't really get worked up about this.

Nor can i.

 

[butchersapron]

i can't answer for that particular group, but there is a western contingent (comprising american, brits, canadians & koreans strangely enough) who are attached to a Peshmerga brigade (don't want to put their location less i be accused of not observing opsec) who are currently without a 'proper' role as the Pesh are loathe to see any westerners killed in battle because they fear the inevitable PR shitstorm. unlike the YPG who honour their western dead. Recruiting using social networking is still the main method

there aren't many blatant edl-types out there, but some of the volunteers do have dubious reasons for being there. others are ex-soldiers who missed Iraq/Afghanistan. uniform fetishists. 'real' ex-soldiers who need to be involved in conflict of some sort or another. some who see it as an opportunity to gain experience working in the middle-east with a view to employment opportunities at a later stage.

sorry i couldn't answer your original question, but i do know that earlier on this year an american group who were the first to start to channel volunteers to the Pesh, caused a huge problem by having a convicted sex offender amongst their ranks. and that pretty much killed it off for volunteers hoping to just turn up and join the Peshmerga, foreign legion-style. It could be that they headed off back to UK

Ta. Yes there are a number of carpetbaggers floating around (Alan Duncan, various canadians from what i see). The sex offender also tried to pretend he was ex-french foreign legion. Must be tempting to just lock some of these people away for the duration!

 

[butchersapron]

The scumbags caught two of the brave people collating and circulating info from raqqa. Murdered them both after torture. There, of course, is a vid. Which i'm not linking to.

 

[frogwoman]

The scumbags caught two of the brave people collating and circulating info from raqqa. Murdered them both after torture. There, of course, is a vid. Which i'm not linking to.

oh no

 

[Pickman's model]

“While support of and membership of ISIS is unlawful it is not a criminal offence to advocate the creation of an independent state.”


Not just any old independent state tho is it? And its ridiculous they subject demonstrators to anti terror laws and ignore someone walking around with the isis flag!

tell you what, i'll be down there with my tricolour and starry plough "advocating" the establishment of a united ireland. then we'll see what's what.

 

[Pickman's model]

The scumbags caught two of the brave people collating and circulating info from raqqa. Murdered them both after torture. There, of course, is a vid. Which i'm not linking to.

rip

 

[frogwoman]

I'm not going to link to them but the blog i quoted above from an english jihadi is both unintentionally hilarous and some of the most disturbing shit ive ever read, describing performing public beheadings, house searches etc as 'a very enjoyable task', these people are fucked in the head.

 

[J Ed]

I'm not going to link to them but the blog i quoted above from an english jihadi is both unintentionally hilarous and some of the most disturbing shit ive ever read, describing performing public beheadings, house searches etc as 'a very enjoyable task', these people are fucked in the head.

I find the crying and dream recall stuff the weirdest and most pathetic.

 

[frogwoman]

I find the crying and dream recall stuff the weirdest and most pathetic.

What was that?

 

[frogwoman]

Theres a page where he does all these 'tributes' to dead jihadis, thats utterly stupid as well.

 

[J Ed]

What was that?

Just two things I have noticed on sites like that - dream interpretation and talking about crying.

 

[J Ed]

Theres a page where he does all these 'tributes' to dead jihadis, thats utterly stupid as well.

You might find this interesting btw

 

[frogwoman]

A lot of barely suppressed homoeroticism as well.

 

[butchersapron]

Just two things I have noticed on sites like that - dream interpretation and talking about crying.

 

[frogwoman]

You might find this interesting btw

Ta, will give that a listen

 

[LDC]

if i recall - and i might be wrong - the background to the photo of the gang of mighty heroes fighting against the dark forces of IS turned out to be a quarry in Wiltshire...

No, that was piss-taking speculation rather than fact.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, that was piss-taking speculation rather than fact.

source pls

 

[LDC]

source pls

Well, they posted photos, and then I saw one poster on a forum say something that it looked like a quarry in Wiltshire not the Middle East, and then saw the post on here repeating that. I've not seen anything more substantial to refute the original claim for the location of the photo.

I suggest asking for any confirmation of either is a bit pointless, and it's probably fairer to take the photos at face value, especially considering we know that there are folks out there. Especially when where exactly the photo was taken is not really that relevant, and may well have been taken in a pre-deployment training location (rumored to be Eastern Europe) for various good reasons.

LDC

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, they posted photos, and then I saw one poster on a forum say something that it looked like a quarry in Wiltshire not the Middle East, and then saw the post on here repeating that. I've not seen anything more substantial to refute the original claim for the location of the photo.

I suggest asking for any confirmation of either is a bit pointless, and it's probably fairer to take the photos at face value, especially considering we know that there are folks out there. Especially when where exactly the photo was taken is not really that relevant, and maybe well have been taken in a pre-deployment training location (rumored to be Eastern Europe) for various reasons.

LDC

so there is no fact either way. there is a photo. it could be of wiltshire. it could be of the middle east. no one knows. it is all vague and uncertain.