The Doors: crap or not?

[Dubversion]

Coldplay are TOTALLY derivative.

Radiohead are LARGELY derivative

 

[editor]

the only real thing to discuss about Radiohead (or Coldplay, come to that) is how derivative they are.

Radiohead are pretty damn original compared to most and you could never accuse them of taking the easy, commercial route with their releases.

OK Computer was an astonishingly fresh album.

 

[editor]

Coldplay are TOTALLY derivative.

Radiohead are LARGELY derivative

In YOUR OPINION.

 

[Dubversion]

In YOUR OPINION.

of course in my fucking opinion.

are we supposed to add In My Opinion to every post we make in here? and will you do it too?

 

[dirtysanta]

*sniffs*

*blows nose into tissue*


mutters: the doors are still shite thou...


what music do you like ds?

i'm guessing - classic rock. big mojo fan. no?

Well ill start with the music i make. Iv got two bands. The first is guitar orientated. Early Stones, Small Faces, The Who, Gram Pasons, Zep thru to Spiritulized, Roses. Its very groove based.

My other band its at the other end of the spectrum. Electronic/Breakbeat/ DnB/punk/dub/techno/Ska. A mixture of all that with a little Dead Kennedys, Pistols, Ian Dury, Prodigy.

My tastes are very Schizophrenic.
Seriously. It changes week in week out. This is what ive got my 10 stack CD in my car today.

Piney Gur - Peekahokahoo
Stone Roses - The Remixes
Reggae Country Collection
Tortoise - Standards
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirty Cheap
Dr Dre - The Chronic
The Stones - Sticky Fingers
2x Cd of various downloaded tracks
Fatter Faction (material recorded so far) I have to liesten to my own stuff in the car so i can check all the mixes are decent.

 

[Dubversion]

just corrected this for you

Radiohead are pretty damn original compared to most and you could never accuse them of taking the easy, commercial route with their releases. In My Opinion

OK Computer was an astonishingly fresh album. In My Opinion

 

[Orang Utan]

I can't see the appeal, even for hippies.
Why is it that so many front men are seen by many as charismatic geniuses when are in fact just wankers? It puzzles me.
Indubitably dire.

 

[jbob]

Ah, like many on this thread, I was really into them when I was 15-16, to the extent that I even went to see the bearded one's grave in Pere Lachaise. After that grotesque carnival of vandalism and mock deification, surrounded by look back bores, mumbling incoherrently about the 'legend' of the 'King Snake', I think I kind of woke up to general silliness of the Doors and felt a little ashamed.

Don't feel quite that way now, but can't say I've listened to them for a good 18 years or so...

 

[dirtysanta]

I can't see the appeal, even for hippies.
Why is it that so many front men are seen by many as charismatic geniuses when are in fact just wankers? It puzzles me.
Indubitably dire.

one mans wanker is another mans genius.

John Lennon os great example of this.

 

[Hollis]

I can't see the appeal, even for hippies.
Why is it that so many front men are seen by many as charismatic geniuses when are in fact just wankers? It puzzles me.
Indubitably dire.

Rock and roll needs wankers.

 

[Orang Utan]

What makes him a genius then? And please don't say his lyrics cos they were laughable even at 16.

 

[dirtysanta]

just corrected this for you

Good grief. Come on girls. LET IT GO

 

[dirtysanta]

Rock and roll needs wankers.

Thats a good answer.

 

[akirajoel]

My tastes are very Schizophrenic.
Seriously. It changes week in week out. This is what ive got my 10 stack CD in my car today.

Piney Gur - Peekahokahoo
Stone Roses - The Remixes
Reggae Country Collection
Tortoise - Standards
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirty Cheap
Dr Dre - The Chronic
The Stones - Sticky Fingers
2x Cd of various downloaded tracks
Fatter Faction (material recorded so far) I have to liesten to my own stuff in the car so i can check all the mixes are decent.

Pah.

*tries to think of something mean to say*

Your music taste smells of poo.





I bet you subscribe to Mojo.

 

[dirtysanta]

Pah.

*tries to think of something mean to say*

Your music taste smells of poo.





I bet you subscribe to Mojo.

Bleugh

I dont really read music mags. Cant think of one i really like. if i do buy them its just to see the classfieds. Music journos. >>>>

 

[Firky]

the only real thing to discuss about Radiohead (or Coldplay, come to that) is how derivative they are. One of the key things about the Doors is that when they were making their music they were doing stuff which was sufficiently different from the other bands of the time, and nothing at all like what had gone before. Listening to them now, in a world of derivatives and tributes and much greater production values, does little justice to that. It's not fresh any more because so many others have built on what they did. The same is true of a lot of bands, of course.

Radiohead derivative? *snigger*

Pablop Honey to Kid A in four ablums...compare and contrast.

 

[Dubversion]

Radiohead derivative? *snigger*

Pablop Honey to Kid A in four ablums...compare and contrast.

just means that these days culture has accelerated and it's easy to use up and spit out your influences quicker.

Edited to add: In My Opinion.

 

[jbob]

I'm surprised anyone thinks anything isn't particularly derivative now. Radiohead are particularly easy to pull apart by influence/rip-off/revision.

 

[Firky]

I'm surprised anyone thinks anything isn't particularly derivative now. Radiohead are particularly easy to pull apart by influence/rip-off/revision.

Has the gap between "high culture" and "low culture" (hate those terms) lessened then? Nah, its just easier to hear lots of music from millions of artists today - thanks to the internet, mtv, and cheap consumer electronics.

In my opinion.

 

[Groucho]

I was a big fan in my teens and I still rate them as musically very good.

However, the lyrics are like sixth-form poetry. I thought that then and I think that now. I do like Morrison's voice still.

I agree with every word.

 

[brokenyolk]

this is going to sound really dodgy, and i'm prepared to take the flak, but the Doors are the sort of band (IMO) that it's probably good that you're into when you're 16 but terrible to be into when you're above about 20.

I loved the Doors when i was a teen because i believed all the bollocks about him being a Dionysian Lizard King poet. Then i realised he was an arrogant, appalling, largely untalented cunt. Some of the songs i can just about stand, but the rest....


ugh

i'm with you all the way - only thing worse is his poetry

 

[jbob]

Has the gap between "high culture" and "low culture" (hate those terms) lessened then? Nah, its just easier to hear lots of music from millions of artists today - thanks to the internet, mtv, and cheap consumer electronics.

In my opinion.

Can't say I follow your line of argument in relation to what I was saying following on from Dub's point.

I managed to listen to music from all around the world before the advent of any of the technological advances you mention, without too much difficulty. John Peel and independent record shops were good starting places, for example. What any of that has to do with Radiohead being derivative is beyond me.

 

[tastebud]

This aint a cuss or nothing - but i'm pretty sure in 10 years time there's gonna be a lotta people saying that about Babyshambles..............

should i know who they are?

 

[milesy]

its just easier to hear lots of music from millions of artists today - thanks to the internet, mtv, and cheap consumer electronics.

In my opinion.

i'd say that was more of a FACT! than an opinion.

 

[Firky]

Can't say I follow your line of argument in relation to what I was saying following on from Dub's point.

I managed to listen to music from all around the world before the advent of any of the technological advances you mention, without too much difficulty. John Peel and independent record shops were good starting places, for example. What any of that has to do with Radiohead being derivative is beyond me.

no, i just read it back and it doesn't really have anything to do with waht you were saying, and i dunno what my point was. bit stoned - sorry.

 

[Sunspots]

In my fact-o-pinion...

why? I was kindof upset when Morrison died, shortly after I saw them at the Isle of Wight. Does that make me a bad person?

Of course it does.

No, if you were there first time 'round, then that's okay with me. As anyone who knows me will tell you, I love loads of sixties music/films. I just don't believe in treating people as gods, and I especially don't go for people like Morrison who self-mythologized themselves as gods. It's just bloated ego.

I was originally more referring to any modern youth who's got a poster of Morrison on their walls, who's bought what they've been fed, and think he somehow symbolizes rebellion. (-Same goes for Bob Marley posters too. )

I can't imagine anybody arguing about Radiohead in 40 years time.

Well, at least we agree about Radiohead.

 

[cathal marcs]

Some stuffs crackin some stuff is shite. I do love Touch Me though and Riders of the Storm.

 

[newbie]

where would rock n roll be without bloated ego or self destruction? Or youth with funny ideas about fashion and pictures of heros on their walls.

Celebrate all of it

(except the derivatives.

they've lost the plot)

 

[editor]

just means that these days culture has accelerated and it's easy to use up and spit out your influences quicker.

So what other recent, hugely successful bands have followed a similarly diverse trajectory?

 

[Sunspots]

Celebrate all of it

(except the derivatives.

they've lost the plot)

The Derivatives have always been shit. I saw 'em supporting Genesis at Leicester Poly in 1865 and they were awful then.