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Ted Striker said:
"As it goes, it turns out our tests that we've relied on for all these years....are bullshit. Conveniently Sky prepared a 150 page document telling us so..."

Again, this all makes more sense that him tugging a few cheeky extra puffs with the army of advisors and docs around him, but still makes everyone look shit.
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The threshold test isn’t bullshit, it just wasn’t robust enough to withstand a multi million pound team of lawyers deployed to find a crack and lever it wide enough to slip a rich man through. As for him “tugging a few cheeky extra puffs”, in general the most likely explanation for anyone ending up way over the threshold is that they lost the head on some stage, weren’t counting and went way over the top on their inhaler. That’s the kind of stupid thing you can expect to happen occasionally.
 
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Ted Striker said:
Not with Froome/Sky. No way they'd get done on that...

...post Wiggins
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Professional athletes are no smarter than anyone else, Froome has never shown any particular sign of being a mastermind (evil or otherwise) and everything that has emerged about the inner workings of the British Cycling / Sky juggernaut in recent times reveals a streak of arrogance a mile wide. They are entirely capable of doing something stupid or being complacent and have done so on many occasions.

If something can be explained by a minor bit of easy to achieve incompetence it usually is explained by that.
 
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Even if he had one extra puff on an inhaler - which by all indications he didn’t - who the fuck cares? It has zero performance benefit. Literally none.
 
And he has asthma so bad he exceeds the limit, and is also ill, yet he is putting time into rivals on a mountain in the vuelta?
 
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souljacker said:
I'm hoping Froome gets knocked off his bike and has to retire and Geraint Thomas gets promoted to leader and wins the tour.
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I think there's alorra people who would want this. Not becuase Froome isn't great but it would be amazing for another Brit to win it. UK cycling presence has changed so much in the last 10yrs. His last year's jersey =>
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Ted Striker said:
Chris(t) on a bike...Going full C3P0 up Ventoux wasn't cheating, it was survival!

For the record, the fact he claims to be British yet fails to see it as his duty to pay taxes here is the next thing (I'll admit to) as to why I can't support him. This is genuinely not just because he's Chris Froome, I'm pretty gobsmacked that it's tolerated at all tbh, but it's a different subject altogether...
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I had forgotten about the time he impersonated the president of the Kenyan Cycling Federation on email to send himself to the U23 WC. Yes, it's "inconceivable" that he'd cheat.
 
If you repeated an experiment 21 times, with 20 results showing one particular result and just had one single spike, what would your conclusion be?

I don't doubt for one minute that Froome is a ruthlessly single minded competitor, who will push the limits of what's allowed to win. Because, you know, world class sportsman.

"Right Dave, I know I'm going to be tested after every single stage, but just for today I'm going to have one extra puff on an inhaler that won't actually make me go any faster but will instantly show on the test and get me kicked out"

People have lost their fucking minds over this.
 
I think that he was loaded up to the gills on this every day but on that day they got the timing wrong and he was still over the limit when he got tested.

If he had asthma to that extent he would not be an elite sportsman, it's a "marginal gain", a substance which increases airflow to to lungs, definitely a performance improvement when you're going up a mountain.
 
sleaterkinney said:
I think that he was loaded up to the gills on this every day but on that day they got the timing wrong and he was still over the limit when he got tested.

If he had asthma to that extent he would not be an elite sportsman, it's a "marginal gain", a substance which increases airflow to to lungs, definitely a performance improvement when you're going up a mountain.
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There is also the possibility that he did a bag that was taken off season in training when he was smashing the salbutamol.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
If you repeated an experiment 21 times, with 20 results showing one particular result and just had one single spike, what would your conclusion be?
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Like anyone with even a basic understanding of drug testing, I would conclude that one result reflected a test which took place while a subject still had detectable (or unusually high) levels of the relevant substance in their system, while the others took place outside of that glow time.

I certainly wouldn’t conclude that the same thing had happened on each occasion but that for some reason on one occasion the result was totally different, which is what you seem to believe.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
Like anyone with even a basic understanding of drug testing, I would conclude that one result reflected a test which took place while a subject still had detectable (or unusually high) levels of the relevant substance in their system, while the others took place outside of that glow time.

I certainly wouldn’t conclude that the same thing had happened on each occasion but that for some reason on one occasion the result was totally different, which is what you seem to believe.
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I believe he possibly took one puff too many on his inhaler, or a combination of factors on the day caused the levels to be higher than usual from an allowed dose.

He's been cleared. Case closed. End of.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
I believe he possibly took one puff too many on his inhaler, or a combination of factors on the day caused the levels to be higher than usual from an allowed dose.

He's been cleared. Case closed. End of.
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So you believe he took more of a substance than he was entitled to, yet you also think that other people should treat him as “cleared” and the matter as over. It doesn’t work like that. It will follow him around permanently, whether you or I agree with that or not.
 
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beesonthewhatnow said:
I believe he possibly took one puff too many on his inhaler, or a combination of factors on the day caused the levels to be higher than usual from an allowed dose.

He's been cleared. Case closed. End of.
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No way is it "End of". We've been here many times before in pro cycling from Maglifico to Kelme to USPS to Festina. This time is no different.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
So you believe he took more of a substance than he was entitled to, yet you also think that other people should treat him as “cleared” and the matter as over. It doesn’t work like that. It will follow him around permanently, whether you or I agree with that or not.
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I think he might have done and that even if he did it had zero performance benefit.

Although reading various reports this morning it’s becoming clear the test itself isn’t fit for purpose and creates a high likelihood of false positives. And that’s coming from the man who created the test in the first place.
 
Do you think he's gone from being a really average rider to beating Contador and Valverde, clean?. It's stunk long before this test..
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
What would it take to convince people he’s clean :confused:
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Anyone who can be convinced that a professional athlete is clean who doesn’t have 24 hour a day access to that athlete is a rube. They might be clean, but you have no way of knowing that. The most you can ever reasonably say about one is that there is no evidence of doping currently available beyond their profession or level of success.
 
I don't really care about Froome. Hate/avoid everything that Sky and Murdoch touch.

That said I got into the tour for the first time last year. Really looking forward to the TDF & Wimbledon combo :cool:

Go Contador :D
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Someone’s been reading the Daily Mirror’s guide to this years race then :D
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I am doing some ad-hoc work for the London Bike Show at the moment. They are all Froome flag wavers :D I started supporting Contador just to be a prick but got to like him. Future Tour winner of not this year
 
I'm not that bothered about the GC (unless Nibali wins) but the first week will fun to see how many stages Quickstep take though I don't think it will be as many as last year - Gaviria got beaten into second on there stages of Tour de Suisse by three different riders.
 
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Interesting piece with comments. I've not dug beyond the headlines yet. It would take an exceptional rider to cope with this meticulous detail. Chris Froome: Team Sky's unprecedented release of data reveals how British rider won Giro d'Italia
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Yeah, this is being comprehensively "analysed" by a lot of armchair "experts" on various cycling forums to prove that Froome is still a cheat. It's ridiculous, the same batshit logic and mental leaps you get from any other conspiracy loons. There's literally nothing Sky can do that will convince them otherwise.

"He must be a cheat, show us the data!"

"Errrr, OK, here you go, have access to an unprecedented amount of data on our star rider, that may risk rival teams getting an insight into how we do things"

"Ah, the data must be doctored/fake/is useless without more data from other teams, this just proves it"

etc etc
 
Had no idea there are Sky fans still around after Wiggo and his missing medical records and massive doses of corticosteroids. Not to mention jiffy bags.

But if they were interested in being transparent they could have released the evidence they submitted.
 
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