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Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa & other major modern pop acts: backing tracks and miming

It's really hard to dance and belt out songs at the same time.
Mind you, I saw Chic play live once and they managed to do it brilliantly. James Brown and band did it even better, judging by Youtube vids I’ve seen.
Though Chic and James Brown and band are in an impossibly-talented category of their own, so it would be unfair to judge Swift and co by their standards
 
Let people know upfront (point of sale) that parts of the show include miming and pre-recorded backing tracks, and let them decide if they want to pay for it or not.

The current touring version of the Eagles were caught miming recently and there was a backlash. I guess Eagles fans want a fully live show and they felt cheated.

I notice more Bass coming via synths these days. Dexys recent tour had no bass player, but there was Bass. I didn't feel robbed, however I prefer to see musicians on stage playing. Nick Cave this weekend had a lot of musicians up there doing it all live.

I am sure that many artists in the past have danced/gone nuts and sang at the same time. Tina Turner, throughout her career, had some pretty wild dance routines on stage while singing. Part of the excitement was seeing the band out of breath and sweating and pushing on through the set. Bands would work out a setlist that gave them breathing space between energetic songs.

It feels a bit off to me to say 'I'm miming because I dance too'. Why are the band miming or playing to backing tracks? What's their excuse? If anyone caught David Byrne's American Utopia tour then they'd have witnessed the whole band doing all the dance routines while playing instruments that were strapped to them....and that included the drummer. That was a real live show.
Oh yeah good call on American Utopia - that is one very impressive show. Don’t think they toured it, mind - would probably be impossible
 
Oh wow - that’s really impressive then. I just assumed it was a one-off performance for the film. Like a big international megatour? Kudos to Byrne and company then - Byrne especially - he must be in his 70s now!

April til the end of November, Worldwide. I saw it at Hammersmith Apollo. They did two nights there. It was amazing.
 
Mind you, I saw Chic play live once and they managed to do it brilliantly. James Brown and band did it even better, judging by Youtube vids I’ve seen.
Though Chic and James Brown and band are in an impossibly-talented category of their own, so it would be unfair to judge Swift and co by their standards

I nearly mentioned James Brown. He was putting on song and dance extravaganzas at his highest and his lowest. He had great players and put on great shows when he was broke, and kept hustling though his best and worst times. He likely never made the money he should have, his influence reached far and wide, he was sampled more than most and his musicians were the best because they played all of the time just to survive. If they were not on stage backing a known artist, they were working the Chitlin' Circuit to make a living. They were that good because they played everyday on a stage somewhere and that experience made them that good. It was work. There are hundreds of musicians on that circuit who were shit hot players and appeared on 1000s of great records. Being good fed the kids.

On that basis I don't think it's unfair to judge Swift and co by their standards. If they worked as hard they'd be as good. Singing and dancing at the same time.
 
Oh yeah good call on American Utopia - that is one very impressive show. Don’t think they toured it, mind - would probably be impossible

Yeah, Utopia toured.

I saw it at the O2.


Tour dates here:

 
Angus Young uses oxygen to get through a set and has done for years. You could see him gasping for air even years ago.




Plenty of bands have been known to take drug breaks during the set. That’s not only /always about self indulgence or addiction, it’s also, sometimes, about using the drugs to get through the set.



The whole thing is performance. Whatever gets them through the set is fine by me. It takes a huge team of people many months, tonnes of energy, organising skills etc and so forth to make it look as if the performer is just doing what they do easily and naturally with little effort, as if they’re superhuman : vastly talented, super cool, completely in charge of their skills and art.

Meanwhile there may be stage fright, medical problems, technical stuff that has taken moneys and time to plan so it looks effortless.

Even down here in the small gigs, there’s an element of acting.

I want my performers to take their performance seriously. I don’t want them to be normal up there. Do what it takes to be golden gods please. I can look behind the curtain if I want to, but I don’t want to.

Unless it’s fraud. That’s different. Milli Vanilli.
 
James Brown falling to his knees on stage, overwhelmed, unable to continue, being taken off by gentle carers and then breaking free to come back to sing more because he couldn’t stop himself…..

Performance. Wonderful thrilling performance. We pretend to believe it’s true, because we want to. He makes me feel that way too! Like, I can’t bear it, but I can’t bear not to.

Even though he’s a sold gold unredeemed prick.



My job, my responsibility and duty as an audience member is to enter into the collective receptive group mind thing. It’s part of the culture.
 
At a Taylor Swift show, part of what’s going on on stage is beautiful presentation of the smooth facade of her perfection as Tay-Tay. If it takes some miming to do that, make sure the miming dovetails into the whole show properly, make it so I don’t notice it. It’s fine. It’s all good.

I’d much rather have some miming on stage than have the artist disappear for long stretches to recover while backing singer and dancers go on and on.

Having the show organised and choreographed so that it all works properly shows respect of the whole process, imo. Allowing breathless and sub par performances with those ticket prices? Nah…

For someone like Adele, authenticity is central to her public persona and image, so she can’t mime, mustn’t mime.
 
At a Taylor Swift show, part of what’s going on on stage is beautiful presentation of the smooth facade of her perfection as Tay-Tay. If it takes some miming to do that, make sure the miming dovetails into the whole show properly, make it so I don’t notice it. It’s fine. It’s all good.
lol. has it even been mentioned that she’s not even regarded as a good dancer? it’s even a meme that she’s a bad one in fact. At least you’ve highlighted the value she’s adding to the live shows - her miming skills!
 
lol. has it even been mentioned that she’s not even regarded as a good dancer? it’s even a meme that she’s a bad one in fact. At least you’ve highlighted the value she’s adding to the live shows - her miming skills!


Yes I’m aware that Taylor Swift is not known for her dancing skills, and that she herself has taken the piss out of herself for her donstinctive dancing style.

Which is why I didn’t mention Taylor as a dancer.

What follows that paragraph was more general, and could refer to Bey, or Madonna, or any other performer.

Lol
 
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