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This is why I hate everyone who seeks to blanket the platform in its entirety.
Yes, there's a tsunami of shit, but there's also a lot of good stuff there that isn't the sole domain of misinformationists and cranks.
Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa & other major modern pop acts: backing tracks and miming
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This is why I hate everyone who seeks to blanket the platform in its entirety.
Yes, there's a tsunami of shit, but there's also a lot of good stuff there that isn't the sole domain of misinformationists and cranks.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
My issue isn’t with misinformation or with cranks, it’s with the horrendous inefficiency of communication limited by the speed at which someone can talk, slowed further by making points repetitively with heavy use of rhetorical questions, and exacerbated by the commercial incentives to make content long enough to support multiple ad breaks.
If you have something worth saying, write it down.
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hiraethified
Trouble is that people would then be unlikely to read it.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
It’s very easy to get people to read niche content, it’s just extremely tricky to monetise it.
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hiraethified
I don't really agree with that - at least not if you're trying to reach a new audience.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Well, you can’t get attention for anything unless you’re prepared to share excerpts and teasers on social platforms, but that can drive traffic to blogs as easily as it can to YouTube sites.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I once did the live sound for Moby for a tv show. It was no big deal because most of the acts just sung live and played one or two instruments over prerecorded backing tracks. . . But Moby, his was all backing track with the vocals mixed ever so slightly lower, which he doubled up on.
I wouldn't have cared so much, we were just a cheap arse show, but the DAT I was given was the Joolz Holland 'live' DAT for their performance on that. Joolz Holland live!
I wouldn't have cared so much, we were just a cheap arse show, but the DAT I was given was the Joolz Holland 'live' DAT for their performance on that. Joolz Holland live!
I’m very surprised to learn that. Makes it even more obvious people are just paying for the experience of being there and saying they were there. Basically like being in a really large karaoke bar/cheesy club.
PTK
Paul Kegan
ABBA is not miming, though, because ABBA is not there on the stage.
Quite often Google something with a short, simple answer and get directed to youtube rather than a couple of sentences or a few bullet points. Bastards. I find the most tolerable stuff on youtube was originally created for another medium often from before the platform existed. Tv programmes, films, recorded lectures etc
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
Or even being a bellend yapping/waving their phone about all the way through 
I have no issue with the Taylor Swifts of this world. The pupils I know who love her are in it for the experience, not to see a master musician at work. And that's fair enough.
I did see a video with Billie Eilish explaining her production process. I thought it was a little excessive to have over 70 takes of the lead vocal and have a producer splice all the best bits together into one performance. I was in the studio with my band only 3 weeks ago and nobody did more than 3 takes of anything. But then, she has more money than us so lol.
I have no issue with the Taylor Swifts of this world. The pupils I know who love her are in it for the experience, not to see a master musician at work. And that's fair enough.
I did see a video with Billie Eilish explaining her production process. I thought it was a little excessive to have over 70 takes of the lead vocal and have a producer splice all the best bits together into one performance. I was in the studio with my band only 3 weeks ago and nobody did more than 3 takes of anything. But then, she has more money than us so lol.
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
I guess it's a fine but blurred line between a show and a gig. My wife went to see Taylor Swift and is still talking about it in terms of the experience, the costume changes, the scale, as well as the songs. I saw Underworld and likely there was more recorded music at that I had a much different experience.
All that matters is people enjoy what they do, eh. I can't imagine many Swifties give the tiniest of shits she mimed.
I seem to remember in his later, waning years, Pavarotti mimed Nessun Dorma (Winter Olympics?). Should he have done? Possibly not. Would the hairs on the necks of everyone present have stood on end? Of course.
Who's to say they don't......
To be fair this kind of thing isn't new.
In the late 80's quite a few acts were caught miming during live performances. Big name acts like Michael Jackson had backing tracks to support his vocals when he was doing full dance routines. A video tech who was on the BAD tour I talked to said Jackson was only really singing 1/3 of the time during any one show.
Watching some of the pop acts at Glastonbury and with the dancing they were doing is it even physically possible to consistently sing and do all that fucking about. I was kind of in awe with what they were doing. Looked hard enough to mime tbh. I know these people are trained but just thinking of perceived effort levels when exercising. One way of assessing effort is how easy it is to hold a conversation. Even relatively low levels of exertion are marked by things like - can hold a conversation with difficulty. I notice some acts have back up singers who pick up the slack though I noticed this more with older acts who may not have the voice they used to than with the acrobats.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Yes, it's impossible to belt out a song while you're dancing around like a dervish.
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
I like the word dervish.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I disapprove of dancing, so wouldn’t want to go and see anyone play live if there was a risk of dervishish behaviour, but there are some nostalgia acts still on the road which definitely need electronic support for singers who never danced but now can no longer sing. The Sisters of Mercy for one.
danski
"vibey"
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danski
"vibey"
…or maybe you lot are 23.3 times more skilled as musicians than herOr even being a bellend yapping/waving their phone about all the way through
I have no issue with the Taylor Swifts of this world. The pupils I know who love her are in it for the experience, not to see a master musician at work. And that's fair enough.
I did see a video with Billie Eilish explaining her production process. I thought it was a little excessive to have over 70 takes of the lead vocal and have a producer splice all the best bits together into one performance. I was in the studio with my band only 3 weeks ago and nobody did more than 3 takes of anything. But then, she has more money than us so lol.
so you don't have to sing it in one take in the studio, you don't have to sing it live... seems slightly disingenuous for a 'singer'. might as well just stick your voice in an AI and get the AI to do it. basically you're a dancer who works with music producers.Or even being a bellend yapping/waving their phone about all the way through
I have no issue with the Taylor Swifts of this world. The pupils I know who love her are in it for the experience, not to see a master musician at work. And that's fair enough.
I did see a video with Billie Eilish explaining her production process. I thought it was a little excessive to have over 70 takes of the lead vocal and have a producer splice all the best bits together into one performance. I was in the studio with my band only 3 weeks ago and nobody did more than 3 takes of anything. But then, she has more money than us so lol.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Do one or the other then. Don't 'lie' to people who have spent a fortune to see a live event. That said, I would rather put my testicles in a mincer rather than go and see the majority of the 'stars' of today, including Taylor Swift and particularly the screeching Adele.
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Adele is one of the few singers who can sing.
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hiraethified
Adele is a fucking incredible singer with superb technique, and someone who has publicly stated that she would never mime live. In fact, she's cancelled big shows when she's damaged her voice.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
In a rare moment of agreement, both Mary and me agree that Adele is shrill, and unpleasant to listen to.
It would be a boring old world if everyone liked the same things.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Let people know upfront (point of sale) that parts of the show include miming and pre-recorded backing tracks, and let them decide if they want to pay for it or not.
The current touring version of the Eagles were caught miming recently and there was a backlash. I guess Eagles fans want a fully live show and they felt cheated.
I notice more Bass coming via synths these days. Dexys recent tour had no bass player, but there was Bass. I didn't feel robbed, however I prefer to see musicians on stage playing. Nick Cave this weekend had a lot of musicians up there doing it all live.
I am sure that many artists in the past have danced/gone nuts and sang at the same time. Tina Turner, throughout her career, had some pretty wild dance routines on stage while singing. Part of the excitement was seeing the band out of breath and sweating and pushing on through the set. Bands would work out a setlist that gave them breathing space between energetic songs.
It feels a bit off to me to say 'I'm miming because I dance too'. Why are the band miming or playing to backing tracks? What's their excuse? If anyone caught David Byrne's American Utopia tour then they'd have witnessed the whole band doing all the dance routines while playing instruments that were strapped to them....and that included the drummer. That was a real live show.
The current touring version of the Eagles were caught miming recently and there was a backlash. I guess Eagles fans want a fully live show and they felt cheated.
I notice more Bass coming via synths these days. Dexys recent tour had no bass player, but there was Bass. I didn't feel robbed, however I prefer to see musicians on stage playing. Nick Cave this weekend had a lot of musicians up there doing it all live.
I am sure that many artists in the past have danced/gone nuts and sang at the same time. Tina Turner, throughout her career, had some pretty wild dance routines on stage while singing. Part of the excitement was seeing the band out of breath and sweating and pushing on through the set. Bands would work out a setlist that gave them breathing space between energetic songs.
It feels a bit off to me to say 'I'm miming because I dance too'. Why are the band miming or playing to backing tracks? What's their excuse? If anyone caught David Byrne's American Utopia tour then they'd have witnessed the whole band doing all the dance routines while playing instruments that were strapped to them....and that included the drummer. That was a real live show.
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Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Maybe it's all about appearing perfect?
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