Taliban to teach Islamist family values in Afghan

[TomUS]

Well it's about time those Afghan kids got back to decent traditional education. Keep the girls at home & teach them to cover up & obey their male masters.

The Taliban said they will open their own schools in areas of southern Afghanistan under the group's control, an apparent effort to win support among local residents and undermine the Western-backed government's efforts to expand education.

The announcement follows a violent campaign by the fundamentalist Islamic group against state schools in the five years since its ouster by U.S.-led forces. The Taliban destroyed 200 schools and killed 20 teachers last year, and President Hamid Karzai said Sunday that 200,000 children had been driven from the classroom.

Abdul Hai Muthmahien...said the group will begin providing Islamic education to students in March in at least six southern provinces, funded by $1 million allotted by the Taliban's ruling council. He said textbooks would be the same ones used during Taliban rule.

He also said education would be available to boys first and later to girls...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_re_as/afghan_taliban_schools

 

[dylanredefined]

And kill anyone who dosent agree with you .Wonder what taliban views on the idea the ak and the rpg7 was designed and built by atheists

 

[Aldebaran]

Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of these arrogant demonstrations of Western hypocrisy.

Maybe it is time to make a thread titled:

The West to teach Western values in Afghanistan and Iraq.

salaam.

 

[Boogie Boy]

Please explain further my Taurean friend...........


BB

 

[exosculate]

He also said education would be available to boys first and later to girls...

How can this be described as anything other than backward.

 

[rioted]

And kill anyone who dosent agree with you.

Isn't that the american way?

American flag, pledge of allegiance, religious assemblies, citizenship, know your place. All doctrinaire education is bad, and it's not the sole preserve of the Tallies.

 

[Aldebaran]

How can this be described as anything other than backward.

It can be described as realistic thinking in a country where the economy is non-existent, hence jobs are as good as not available, let alone created and where on top of that it is a traditional and religious family value that mothers raise their own children instead of dropping them off by others in order to have the possiblity to enter and stay on the job market. This being very often a necessity in Capitalist based societies, where one income doesn't suffice anymore to buy whatever Capitalism lures consumers into buying, or even to pay for the basics.

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

It can be described as realistic thinking in a country where the economy is non-existent, hence jobs are as good as not available, let alone created and where on top of that it is a traditional and religious family value that mothers raise their own children instead of dropping them off by others in order to have the possiblity to enter and stay on the job market. This being very often a necessity in Capitalist based societies, where one income doesn't suffice anymore to buy whatever Capitalism lures consumers into buying, or even to pay for the basics.

salaam.

That doesn't stop it being sexist. You just educate less children of both genders if you have low resources.

 

[Aldebaran]

Please explain further my Taurean friend...........

I don't think editor would like it would I start posting a few very real hence very graphic pictures.
For other points I could raise there are already a few threads running about them.

salaam

 

[Aldebaran]

That doesn't stop it being sexist. You just educate less children of both genders if you have low resources.

A luxury that can't be afforded in a country that lies in ruins. Ideas like yours are typical for people who have no idea that what seems normal for them in their culture and society of spoilment and luxury can't be realised where those conditions simply don't exist.

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

A luxury that can't be afforded in a country that lies in ruins. Ideas like yours are typical for people who have no idea that what seems normal for them in their culture and society of spoilment and luxury can't be realised where those conditions simply don't exist.

salaam.

Sorry are you saying its easier to educate 10 boys, than 5 girls and 5 boys?

Its a sexist culture I think. Has nothing to to with luxurious decadent consumerism, that I think that. Interesting that you are defending it though.

 

[London_Calling]

I can only find one direct quote in the story from "Abdul Hai Muthmahien, the purported chief spokesman for the militants". He apparently said:

"The U.S. and its allies are doing propaganda against the Taliban," he said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from an undisclosed location late Saturday. "The Taliban are not against education. The Taliban want Shariah (Islamic) education."

- it seems quite a wide-ranging story given that's the entire basis. Lot's of quotes from 'friends of the West' though.

AP do include direct quotes as much as possible, right ? You could almost think there was another agenda going on . . .

 

[Aldebaran]

Sorry are you saying its easier to educate 10 boys, than 5 girls and 5 boys?

No, I said it is more cost-effective in the current local situation.

Its a sexist culture I think.

Of course it is.

Has nothing to to with luxurious decadent consumerism, that I think that.

Yes it has (and I didn't use the word "decadent").

Interesting that you are defending it though.

You clearly confuse providing for a touch of realistic insight about an issue with defence of what you might find wrong about it.

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

How is it more cost effective?

You agree its sexist, thats a start.

But don't appear to think thats a bad thing, which is the worrying thing!

 

[Aldebaran]

How is it more cost effective?

Read my posts.

You agree its sexist, thats a start.

Why is that "a start"?

But don't appear to think thats a bad thing, which is the worrying thing!

mmm... I can only reply that I find it worrying that people don't understand my posts. It doesn't speak for the progress I thought to have made in this language.
Can you try again?

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

Read my posts.



Why is that "a start"?



mmm... I can only reply that I find it worrying that people don't understand my posts. It doesn't speak for the progress I thought to have made in this language.
Can you try again?

salaam.

Sexism can only be combated when it is understood to exist, in that sense it is a start.

As to the rest - I think I have been clear, you are defending the priority education of boys and I am against that position.

As I say, I think I have been clear and I think I have understood you clearly too.

 

[Aldebaran]

Sexism can only be combated when it is understood to exist, in that sense it is a start.

You are lecturing to the wrong person.

As to the rest - I think I have been clear, you are defending the priority education of boys and I am against that position.

Read again my posts.

As I say, I think I have been clear and I think I have understood you clearly too.

No, you didn't understand them.
I hope you can admit that I know better what I said -and what my position is - then you.

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

Well....

You are lecturing to the wrong person.

Clearly not, you are putting boys above girls after all.

Read again my posts.

I have read your posts, nothing explains why girls should not be educated. Perhaps you could give the explanation another try.

No, you didn't understand them.
I hope you can admit that I know better what I said -and what my position is - then you.

As far as i understand the language, I understood them. I understand your position from what you write, clearly i am not a mind reader.



salaam.

 

[DrRingDing]

It can be described as realistic thinking in a country where the economy is non-existent, hence jobs are as good as not available, let alone created and where on top of that it is a traditional and religious family value that mothers raise their own children instead of dropping them off by others in order to have the possiblity to enter and stay on the job market. This being very often a necessity in Capitalist based societies, where one income doesn't suffice anymore to buy whatever Capitalism lures consumers into buying, or even to pay for the basics.

salaam.

You know full well that many men take positions that they could only get through having a penis and family in the right place. And you also know that this results often in the wrong people doing the wrong job.

Don't make out that this sexist policy is anymore than making women subservient and empowering men.

 

[DrRingDing]

A luxury that can't be afforded in a country that lies in ruins. Ideas like yours are typical for people who have no idea that what seems normal for them in their culture and society of spoilment and luxury can't be realised where those conditions simply don't exist.

salaam.

The vast majority of people here, if not all, will think you are an apologist for an extremely ignorant and brutally sexist policy.

A rich arrogant man with no empathy or understanding that uses tired old religious dogma to prop up his tired old bigotry.

 

[Aldebaran]

Clearly not, you are putting boys above girls after all.

No I don't. Read again my posts.

I have read your posts, nothing explains why girls should not be educated. Perhaps you could give the explanation another try.

It is not a question of "should" or "should not". That is a luxury which is not available (but which you insist is available). It is a question of putting realistic priorities given the current situation.

I understand your position from what you write,

No, you clearly don't.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

You know full well that many men take positions that they could only get through having a penis and family in the right place. And you also know that this results often in the wrong people doing the wrong job.

I would be blind and deaf would I not be aware of this. Is it your position that this type of men is erradicated in the West?

Don't make out that this sexist policy is anymore than making women subservient and empowering men.

Of course it is, yet in the current situation in Afghanistan less to nothing can be done about it. Hence it is a lesser of all evils to get at least boys, who both traditionally and religiously *have* to solely provide for family income, a form of education.

salaam.

 

[DrRingDing]

It is not a question of "should" or "should not". That is a luxury which is not available (but which you insist is available). It is a question of putting realistic priorities given the current situation.

It's not a luxury for a woman to be educated and you're making yourself sound like a proper obnoxious wanker.

In Nepal girls are educated and that is an an extremely impoversished state possibly more so that Afganistan.

 

[DrRingDing]

The more I read of you the more I think Afganistan would of benefited from a few years of plastic stalinist rule.

 

[DrRingDing]

The more I read of you the more I think Afganistan would of benefited from a few years of plastic stalinist rule.

Neck shots to the clerics and to the salt mines with their most hardy followers.

 

[Aldebaran]

The vast majority of people here, if not all, will think you are an apologist for an extremely ignorant and brutally sexist policy.

I think those who regularly read my posts are to be excluded. Others can always take a look at my posting history.

A rich arrogant man with no empathy or understanding that uses tired old religious dogma to prop up his tired old bigotry.

I don't see how you get to construct this odd combination.
I had nothing to say about where or how I was born (I also don't remember posting my revenues), when it comes to empathy I think you can learn from me and when it comes to religious dogma, the ideas of the Taliban are hardly in concordance with Islamic commands. They are in fact as much a deviation as can be.
I'm a bit intrigued though... Can you quote me on "tired old bigotry" ?

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

No I don't. Read again my posts.



It is not a question of "should" or "should not". That is a luxury which is not available (but which you insist is available). It is a question of putting realistic priorities given the current situation.



No, you clearly don't.

salaam.

I think most people reading this would find your statements illogical. If there is resources to educate some boys then there is resources for girls to be educated at the expense of half the boys.

You do not make sense.

 

[London_Calling]

salaam.

Indeed.

Nice to see you still here. I have to say your English is highly impresive - perhaps even better than . . . well, before

Take care.

 

[likesfish]

the taliban were never that big on education being able to memorise the koran is'nt really going help sort out afganistan is it?
and as for the west being keen on killing all who oppose it nobody on urbans disappeared or knows anyone who has cause they think blairs a git
try it in china or iran and you will see there is a diffrence

 

[Aldebaran]

Nice to see you still here.

Thank you.

I have to say your English is highly impresive - perhaps even better than . . . well, before

In the "before" situation I jumped in blindfolded, I had no experience in writing it when I started.
It has been a great help to read *English*, being on a UK board

salaam.