Superman Returns

[Kid_Eternity]

Wicked.

Have any of you seen the restored international cut of Superman II?

http://supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

I've been trying to find it on P2P but it seems a bit tricky, some guy spent years rebuilding the film with as much Richard Donner footage as he could find.

No! I wouldn't mind getting a copy of that!

Bring back General Zod too, I don't understand how he was put into handcuffs and put in prison at the end of Superman II, do they have a special kryptonite cell?

Yeah but do we really need that camp looking super criminal back again!?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Why must Hollywood destroy everything that symbolised my childhood?

Batman Begins didn't destroy my childhood, it was wicked. Bryan Singer is a good director so I'm not that worried tbh.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Batman Begins didn't destroy my childhood, it was wicked. Bryan Singer is a good director so I'm not that worried tbh.

Yeah, but Batman Begins was making amends for some truly crap BAtman films. In many ways Superman I, the original, could be considered the equivalent of Batman Begins. How necessary is Superman Returns?

I will still watch it, I think Spacey is an excellent choice as LUthor.

 

[Echo Base]

Batman Begins is only half an enjoyable film. It all goes pear shaped in the last hour. Especially the "Gary Oldman Podracing" bit.

Superman Returns is set "after" Superman 2. I think they have kind of based the plot on Alan Moore's "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow" GN.

 

[elevendayempire]

Batman Begins is only half an enjoyable film. It all goes pear shaped in the last hour. Especially the "Gary Oldman Podracing" bit.

Superman Returns is set "after" Superman 2. I think they have kind of based the plot on Alan Moore's "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow" GN.

It's billed as a semi-sequel; it's nominally set after Superman 2, but is happy to disregard elements of the Donner/Lester films (dumping the campy Lex Luthor in favour of a more sinister version, and so forth). I think Singer's trying to embrace all the different audiences; the Smallville viewers, the comic book readers, the people who dimly remember the original films and the like.

Oh, and they're using a new score by John Ottman, that'll include elements of the original John Williams score.

And finally, there are reports that a director's cut of Superman II is coming out on DVD, with Richard Donner overseeing the reinstatement of his footage...

SG

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Batman Begins is only half an enjoyable film. It all goes pear shaped in the last hour. Especially the "Gary Oldman Podracing" bit.

I liked the whole thing...

 

[StuPC]

His costume looks very blue in those pics.

 

[Reno]

Wicked.

Have any of you seen the restored international cut of Superman II?

http://supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

I've been trying to find it on P2P but it seems a bit tricky, some guy spent years rebuilding the film with as much Richard Donner footage as he could find.

Bring back General Zod too, I don't understand how he was put into handcuffs and put in prison at the end of Superman II, do they have a special kryptonite cell?

Apparently an official Richard Donner directors cut of Superman II is getting a DVD release next year.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1606831,00.html?gusrc=rss

 

[Dask]

Apparently an official Richard Donner directors cut of Superman II is getting a DVD release next year.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1606831,00.html?gusrc=rss

This makes me happy!

I still want to get the Restored International Cut though as I reckon there will be even more footage in that than the Donner released version.

The same thing with the directors cut of Superman I, the international TV version is 3 and 1/2 hours long. Where the directors cut is about an hour shorter.

 

[Reno]

This makes me happy!

I still want to get the Restored International Cut though as I reckon there will be even more footage in that than the Donner released version.

The same thing with the directors cut of Superman I, the international TV version is 3 and 1/2 hours long. Where the directors cut is about an hour shorter.

I don't think the longest cut necessarely makes for the best film. Instead of watching a interminal mammoth version I'd rather see a film the director is happy with. Maybe they'll include the additional scenes as optional extras.

 

[Structaural]

Probably pants like Batman Begins Again and Again.

I'll probably DL and watch it - but I saw the original Superman when I was about 8 or 9 and it was the mutt's nuts back then.

WHAT IS IT WITH HOLLYWOOD REMAKING EVERYTHING?! and this super hero worship - what is that all about - they're not even marketed as kids films anymore. I suppose they represent the mental age of the average yank.

Dask: General Zod had had his super powers removed by the green crystal thingey-bob and so could've been handcuffed with a pair of zipcords if they'd wanted.

 

[Dask]

I don't think the longest cut necessarely makes for the best film. Instead of watching a interminal mammoth version I'd rather see a film the director is happy with. Maybe they'll include the additional scenes as optional extras.

I agree, but I'm a real footage junkie.

It's the same with the TV version of Dune that is by Alan Smithee cos Lynch didn't want anything to do with it.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

How necessary is Superman Returns?

That's really a non issue in my view, why is any remake, re-imagining or cover version necessary? Why make the Donner films when we had the original 40s (?) TV series? Why make SR when we have the excellent Smallville? I have no problem with them completely disregarding the first two films (which aren't that amazing if you ask me) and doing some new for a new generation who didn't get to grow up with the Reeve films. The only condition is they do a good job, I reckon Singer will because his films are fairly decent.

 

[Dask]

This doesn't do away with the first 2 films though , the original films can live side by side with the new one. The plot involves Superman flying to Krypton in the spaceship he landed in in the first film.
The reason he does this is that after the phantom zone 3 came to earth, he has to know if he is the only kryptonian left. He doesn't find any surviours though and returns to earth.
It takes him 6 years to get there and back, he can't fly because it's our sun that gives him his powers.

I found this which is a midly amusing homage to my fav General Zod....http://www.myspace.com/generalzod...check out the song on the profile, some people have too much time on their hands!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I understand, my point is I'm not bothered either way, I don't hold them as sacred and would rather see a good movie than a bad one that restrained by the past incarnations. Btw were are you getting the plot details from?!

 

[Dask]

I understand, my point is I'm not bothered either way, I don't hold them as sacred and would rather see a good movie than a bad one that restrained by the past incarnations. Btw were are you getting the plot details from?!

I know you understand, I was aiming it at booty love.

Plot details where from IMDB

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I know you understand, I was aiming it at booty love.

Koff kooff, oh right.

 

[kyser_soze]

Saw the trailer when I went to see Potter and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up hearing Ottomans variation on the theme.

Like KE I'm not that wedded to the first two movies - to be perfectly honest I think II is mediocre at best and high camp at it's worst. To start with, how does Clarke Kent survive in the freezing cold with little more than a summer jacket on when he's making the return journey to the Fortress of Solitude? He was completely human then and should have died...

And the first one...maybe I'd been spolied rotten by Star Wars but I didn't believe a man could fly, even when I was a wee nipper! It's a watchable ,movie, but nothing more. And Lex Luthor never scared me for a second - when I read the books he was a genuine villan, something I never felt came over effectively in the movie. That and his stupid little 'Mr Lootor' sidekick...

Plus of course Bryan Singer is God.

 

[Structaural]

This doesn't do away with the first 2 films though , the original films can live side by side with the new one. The plot involves Superman flying to Krypton in the spaceship he landed in in the first film.
The reason he does this is that after the phantom zone 3 came to earth, he has to know if he is the only kryptonian left. He doesn't find any surviours though and returns to earth.
It takes him 6 years to get there and back, he can't fly because it's our sun that gives him his powers.

I found this which is a midly amusing homage to my fav General Zod....http://www.myspace.com/generalzod...check out the song on the profile, some people have too much time on their hands!

Hairy muff, I thought they were just 'reimagining' the first one

 

[Structaural]

I wonder if they are going to make up some more superpowers like they did with superman 2. I don't remember white light beaming out of superman's fingers in the comics. Nor an ability to create amnesia in swooning women.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I wonder if they are going to make up some more superpowers like they did with superman 2. I don't remember white light beaming out of superman's fingers in the comics. Nor an ability to create amnesia in swooning women.

In some of the comics he actually has a number of powers, it's just the film that limited them mainly to strength, flying and laser eyes.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Plus of course Bryan Singer is God.

Yep! That's the whole reason I'm not that worried it'll be shit, the guy knows how to make a good movie.

 

[Structaural]

In some of the comics he actually has a number of powers, it's just the film that limited them mainly to strength, flying and laser eyes.

/comic geek mode on/
No comics I've read and I've read most of them including superboy, superfuckingdog and superbloodygirl and he's never had levitation beams from his fingers. Super speed, x-ray vision, super strength, flying, super breath, laser vision, super hearing, invulnerability and super mental ability. That's it (that'll do though).
/comic geek mode off/

 

[Structaural]

though he could barely clear a skyscraper at first...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

/comic geek mode on/
No comics I've read and I've read most of them including superboy, superfuckingdog and superbloodygirl and he's never had levitation beams from his fingers. Super speed, x-ray vision, super strength, flying, super breath, laser vision, super hearing, invulnerability and super mental ability. That's it (that'll do though).
/comic geek mode off/

Really? Must be recalling wrong, I'm sure there are issues (especially the ealier ones) that detail his other powers (plus other forms of Kryptonite and the effect they have on him).

 

[Kid_Eternity]

And another one!

 

[elevendayempire]

/comic geek mode on/
No comics I've read and I've read most of them including superboy, superfuckingdog and superbloodygirl and he's never had levitation beams from his fingers. Super speed, x-ray vision, super strength, flying, super breath, laser vision, super hearing, invulnerability and super mental ability. That's it (that'll do though).
/comic geek mode off/

Super-mathematics.
Super-marble-playing-skills.
Super-kisses.
Super-weaving.
Super-landscaping.

I could go on...

SG

 

[elevendayempire]

...and I will!

Super-makeup.

SG

 

[brahaminda]

Begins was more faithful to the comic. As batman I'd say Bale and keaton were about equal, except that BB portrayed Batman as not killing, which was more faithful to the comic, compared to the original where he did.

And Bale's portrayal of Wayne was vastly better than Keaton's...

Well yeah and no.
Burton's batman fucked it up by having the Joker kill Bruce Wayne's parents, but it picked up on the fact that they had been to see "Zorro".......

 

[muser]

I agree with the kid, fuck the detractors this film will top an eventful couple of months. X-men 3, I like the way it is being advertise, M-I-3, the world cup (should we win it, your local cinema will reshow the games) and then this.