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hiraethified
OPEN THE HATCH!Watching this. I've always wanted to go to space. However I'm not a billionaire and Star Trek doesn't exist..yet
SpaceX rockets and launches
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QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
We didn't even get to see it!! We better see him going out!
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Paul Kegan
Come on, people.
Alexei Leonov did this in 1965. Nearly 60 years ago. And he used an airlock.
Since then, spacewalks have advanced, and the "walker" has their own oxygen/air supply, rather than receiving it through a hose from the spacecraft.
We have a spacewalk with no air lock, and a hose connecting the person to the spacecraft rather than a backpack, and people get all excited because it was organised by a profit-making enterprise.
A spacewalk or any other activity is not better or more admirable because it is done by private enterprise.
Alexei Leonov did this in 1965. Nearly 60 years ago. And he used an airlock.
Since then, spacewalks have advanced, and the "walker" has their own oxygen/air supply, rather than receiving it through a hose from the spacecraft.
We have a spacewalk with no air lock, and a hose connecting the person to the spacecraft rather than a backpack, and people get all excited because it was organised by a profit-making enterprise.
A spacewalk or any other activity is not better or more admirable because it is done by private enterprise.
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Paul Kegan
Well, in a sense they are. Why is there more excitement about this spacewalk than the many performed over the years on the ISS?
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Paul Kegan
Oh yeah, I'll just check my bank account and see if I can afford a private spacewalk. The state pension is so high these days, that I am sure that I will have enough.
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Paul Kegan
It would be unethical to colonise Mars.
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hiraethified
There's nothing unethical about the human desire to explore new horizons. That reflects that absolute essence of the human spirit.
Your lovely, comfortable western lifestyle only exists because your ancestors explored and colonised other countries, so stop being such a pompous hypocrite.
freshapple
Active Member
I think the colonisation of other countries was profoundly unethical & that was driven by the human desire to explore new horizons (and exploit them)
Yossarian
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Gaining wealth and power with a sideline in spreading Christianity definitely seems to have been the driving force behind the barbaric European invasion of the Americas, probably just as well that Mars doesn't have any native inhabitants to be "discovered"
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Herbert George Wells might just disagree with you there.
ska invita
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The desire to explore = good
The desire to settler-colonise where others live and then dominate them = bad
The desire to settle on Mars = batshit stupid and pointless
The desire to buy a ticket to fly in space = folly for the obscenely rich
The desire to settler-colonise where others live and then dominate them = bad
The desire to settle on Mars = batshit stupid and pointless
The desire to buy a ticket to fly in space = folly for the obscenely rich
urbanspaceman
Well-Known Member
The desire to do the narrow range of things that Ska Invicta approves of: Priceless
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ska invita
back on the other side
which of those 4 do you disagree with?
bcuster
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It is becoming doubtful that UK Space Agency or NASA will be able to land a human in Mars, perhaps our only hope of accomplishing this noble goal is by utilizing the resources of private enterprise
www.latimes.com
Aging, overworked and underfunded: NASA faces a dire future, according to experts
Aging infrastructure, short-term thinking, and ambitions that far exceed its funding are among the problems facing NASA, according to a new report.
www.latimes.com
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hiraethified
Human nature then.
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hiraethified
If you care abut the human race continuing to exist, then option 3 is absolutely essential.
Yossarian
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There'd certainly be some ethical issues if there were valuable resources on Mars that could benefit the world and private companies were allowed to stampede in and start strip-mining, though I'm not sure if there's anything there worth the expense apart from maybe souvenir Mars rocks
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Paul Kegan
“Colonising” a place, as opposed to establishing bases, involves the birth of children. It would be unethical to bring children into such a hostile environment as that of Mars.
We do not know the effects on human development of the lower gravity found on Mars. So, to begin with, producing children on Mars would an experiment. It would not be ethical to experiment on children in this way.
If the bodies of the children adapted to living in Mars gravity without ill effect, they would probably have health problems if they came to live on Earth.
The children on Mars would never be able to see the sky without wearing a space suit. They would live in a pressurised structure, partially or wholly underground. There would no such thing as a pleasant stroll on a sunny day, to get some fresh air in the lungs and a bit of Sun on the skin. There would be no swimming in an open air pond.
It would not be ethical to bring about a state of affairs in which humans gestate, are born, and live in an environment with no magnetosphere (which is therefore bombarded by ionising radiation) and no oxygen in the atmosphere. Not to mention the withering dust storms.
I think that photographs of the surface of Mars give many people the false impression that it is quite like Earth. No-one looks at pictures of Antarctica and thinks that it would be somewhere that ought to be colonised. Antarctica is a paradise compared to Mars, but no-one has ever suggested that it would be a good place to raise children, as far as I know.
It would be less cruel to raise children in Death Valley or the Atacama Desert on Earth than on the planet Mars.
We do not know the effects on human development of the lower gravity found on Mars. So, to begin with, producing children on Mars would an experiment. It would not be ethical to experiment on children in this way.
If the bodies of the children adapted to living in Mars gravity without ill effect, they would probably have health problems if they came to live on Earth.
The children on Mars would never be able to see the sky without wearing a space suit. They would live in a pressurised structure, partially or wholly underground. There would no such thing as a pleasant stroll on a sunny day, to get some fresh air in the lungs and a bit of Sun on the skin. There would be no swimming in an open air pond.
It would not be ethical to bring about a state of affairs in which humans gestate, are born, and live in an environment with no magnetosphere (which is therefore bombarded by ionising radiation) and no oxygen in the atmosphere. Not to mention the withering dust storms.
I think that photographs of the surface of Mars give many people the false impression that it is quite like Earth. No-one looks at pictures of Antarctica and thinks that it would be somewhere that ought to be colonised. Antarctica is a paradise compared to Mars, but no-one has ever suggested that it would be a good place to raise children, as far as I know.
It would be less cruel to raise children in Death Valley or the Atacama Desert on Earth than on the planet Mars.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Alcohol.
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Paul Kegan
It would be far, far, easier to deflect that asteroid than to colonise Mars.
