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Small Axe (Steve McQueen mini-series)

This looks like it could be essential viewing! Art installation wrangler turned director McQueen (Hunger) is bringing his take on several generations of Caribbean experience in London to our small screens. To include a potentially epic Lovers party faithfully reconstructed in one episode! :cool:

‘Lovers Rock’ Review: Steve McQueen’s ‘Small Axe’ Film Has One of the Best Dance Parties Ever Filmed

Sadly, but not totally unpredictably, it was complete rubbish.

What I realised from watching the mangrove 9 trial was that shockingly at age 51 and being a black woman with a black Jamaican mother that arrived in London in the early 60's.....I had not been taught any Black British history! I feel very disturbed by this fact ...

It is a shame that your mother and family did not help you on this. It would be tragic if people had to rely on the likes of McQueen to learn about their own history.
 
mangrove episode - is that grenfell construction lurking in the background of the street shots? i dont know west london at all obviously
 
mangrove episode - is that grenfell construction lurking in the background of the street shots? i dont know west london at all obviously
Haven't seen the 1st episode but Grenfell is in the area. (I used to work around there) . Loved the second episode, Mrs21 really loved it , she moved to London around that time (late 70s) so it was all very familiar to her , she squealed every time a familiar song was played :D
 
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Sadly, but not totally unpredictably, it was complete rubbish.
It is a shame that your mother and family did not help you on this. It would be tragic if people had to rely on the likes of McQueen to learn about their own history.

Can I ask what is the source of your very evident dislike of the man and / or his work ? I am really grateful to you for the additional and fascinating links supplied but don't really understand what in particular you're objecting to.
 
Wasn't that keen to be fair but i really don't like 'lovers rock' so it hardly helps. Plus the seeming lack of any story jarred a bit.
 
I enjoyed it personally and liked the lack of plot compared to the first episode. And the tunes.

But it's not my younger years being documented, so...
I thought the lack of plot and characters let it down. On the other hand it was well acted, had great music, looked great and AFAIK was historically accurate.

I loved the climax of the party where they all went crazy, club and party scenes are very hard to get right on film, but watching that part, I felt like I was there.
 
Wow, tough crowd! Though I have to add that my mum also said it was 'a load of self-indulgent crap' :D.

I disagree with her, and some of you. I really enjoyed it. If there's one thing Mr McQueen is good at, it's the sustained (and often uncomfortable) gaze. Maybe this developed during his video installation days. So a long slow whine is a good fit subject wise for his treatment.

Personally, I found story enough in the blossoming romance, with friends and relatives variously getting in the way, or getting out of the way. And the portrayal of a blues from set up to sun up, was for the most part really well done, though a few details felt off (where was the interminable system-check stage - that should have taken up half the film! :D. How about the awkward wallflower stage? And what dance runs lovers first and then brok-wild music last? That's back to front is it not? Oh and turn off about half the lights! ). But on the whole I felt like I was at a blues, and I cared about what happened to the characters.

The only bum note for me was the whole wilding thing towards the end. I mean wtf? :confused:
I've been in jams a bit like that, but not back in the day. That just felt all wrong, and possibly the consequence of how a young cast imagines things.

I mean, maybe this is contentious, but I kind of feel like, despite containing some very radical elements, the old blues were essentially quite conservative spaces. By that I mean that behaviour codes seemed quite narrow, and stoopidness wasn't really tolerated. Admittedly I was just a kid / early teenager during this era, so maybe I didn't have a complete understanding of it all.

Anyways, despite that wrong turn, I was fond of the production, love letter as it was to an under-celebrated scene.
 
I just watched part 2 and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I've seen all Steve Mcqueen's films though and its totally in keeping with his style.
He holds shots for ages and has very long passages with no dialogue.
As for the accuracy i can't say but defer to the others who were there.
I very much doubt Mcqueen was either - if you've heard him interviewed I doubt it would have been his thing.
I discussed it with some Jamaican colleagues and they were non-plussed, as nothing much happens.
Mcqueen did cut his teeth as a visual artist of course
 
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After having high expectations of this series, I watched about half of the first one (about the Mangrove) last night. I didn't think it was all that. There was something flat about the production - I can't quite put my finger on it. It was like a televised stage play, and not in a pqarticularly good way. I did think the actors playing Frank Critchlow and Darcus Howe were good, however.

My OH summed it up well, I thought, by saying it was an inspiring story undermined by an uninspiring production.

I'll still finish it and will probably watch the others.
 
I was surprised I couldn’t see a thread, so started one but I’ve been pointed in this direction so I must have missed this.

I think it’s superb so far. I’ve watched mangrove and lovers rock
 
Red white and blue was ok

It was quite a standard telling of an interesting story.

Not a patch on Lover's Rock imho
 
I found Mangrove and Red White and Blue OK if rather straightforward in their storytelling. I really loved Lover's Rock, it felt evocative of a time and place, but also universal in capturing the joys of youth, going out with your mates, the creepy dangers in the shadows, the sheer joy of dancing with other people to great music.

It really made me want to be dancing on a summer night I suppose.
 
I watched Alex Wheatle last night and didn't like it at all (apart from the LKJ poem in the middle that packed more of an emotional punch than the rest of the film put together) - if I didn't like that, is it safe to assume I won't like the rest?
 
They've all been very different so far. The Mangrove episode was very right-on and straightforward. Lovers Rock I really enjoyed, which surprised me, cos I wasn't a fan of lovers rock at the time. Not so impressed with the Alex Wheatle episode, though I agree about the LKJ bit. So anything could happen with the next two episodes.
 
Hmm bit difficult to put into words, IMO I thought there could have been more about racism and bullying from other officers, more of them maybe trying to get him to quit
You wanted more action?

I found it really hard to watch- because of the racism and bullying and because I am obviously always in the minority and have been in that situation, many many times- (one of few poc) and then to come from that and then be judged harshly by poc for the choices I have made.

I felt the point was that the lead character stood his ground and eventually his father realised his sons strength and conviction and that it was about trying to pave the way for others and being stuck in the middle in doing so.

It demonstrated the main characters limitations and the projected limitations for the young lad in the youth club and how low expectations, ones own and others can thwart ones actualisation....but if as black person you attempt to go beyond those expectations ...often it is not supported.

This why I am a Health Care Assistant and not a Midwife. Because they destroyed me and no one in power chose to fight for me when I had no voice. (It seems its particularly a Bristol thing within midwifery)
 
You wanted more action?

I found it really hard to watch- because of the racism and bullying and because I am obviously always in the minority and have been in that situation, many many times- (one of few poc) and then to come from that and then be judged harshly by poc for the choices I have made.

I felt the point was that the lead character stood his ground and eventually his father realised his sons strength and conviction and that it was about trying to pave the way for others and being stuck in the middle in doing so.

It demonstrated the main characters limitations and the projected limitations for the young lad in the youth club and how low expectations, ones own and others can thwart ones actualisation....but if as black person you attempt to go beyond those expectations ...often it is not supported.

This why I am a Health Care Assistant and not a Midwife. Because they destroyed me and no one in power chose to fight for me when I had no voice. (It seems its particularly a Bristol thing within midwifery)
Sorry to hear that has happened to you :(
Obviously easier for me to watch

I meant that I thought there would be more overt racism depicted by other coppers.
Agree that it was more about the difference between generations of black people and their experience of britain and specifically the father and son
Also trailblazing in the police force. Read a bit more about the real life person portrayed since then and my initial post is clumsy, apologies
 
That was a really moving episode. It was set in the period I went to school , early 70s. I remember hearing stories of kids going to special schools, but didn't know much about them. I wasn't in a very black area then (Bath) we had one Black family at my primary school , and very few black boys at Catholic grammar school , I had no idea about why kids were sent to these special schools .
 
This last episode of the small axe series has brought up a lot for me- stuff around my ma who was a (black Jamaican) headteacher then inspector in ILEA from the late 60's through to the millennium.
I need to think about it and probably write some stuff down.
That must have been challenging for her! I didn't have any black teachers at school, and only one at university in the 1980s, but that was in my year abroad at an American University. I did a course on Black participation in US politics, there were 3 white students (out of about 50 in the class) all of us were Brits. The black students seemed amazed we had chosen the course as no white American students did it .
 
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