Ship porn

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How come Russia only has one carrier and it's a pile of wank? Would have thought they'd be able to afford a number of them and be shiny and new (bang an oligarch in the slammer and nick his cash, one carrier fully funded), so why ilwhen Putin is supposedly set on world domination is his navy so shit?

 

[mauvais]

They had a few more but they sold them to various tinpot states, like China, who basically use it as a lifesize Haynes manual for building your own carrier instead of putting it into actual service.

 

[dylanredefined]

How come Russia only has one carrier and it's a pile of wank? Would have thought they'd be able to afford a number of them and be shiny and new (bang an oligarch in the slammer and nick his cash, one carrier fully funded), so why ilwhen Putin is supposedly set on world domination is his navy so shit?

Not really ever been a naval power and have no real use for a carrier. When your enemy is the US navy playing catch up is next to impossible. Never going to beat the US navy in a carrier battle hence this. Kirov battlecruiser

Sail towards American carriers and lob missiles at it while shooting down waves of planes coming towards it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

As an aside and on track with the thread, some years ago was sailing from Hythe to Cowes after dark and upon entering the Solent there was a brilliantly lit up ship to the east. We carried on to Cowes and the pub, the next morning we sailed out of Cowes and headed towards what we'd decided must be a cruise ship. Was the Dwight D Eisenhower. Far too big to fit in to Portsmouth harbour, had a fleet of smaller ships moored around it, stank of kerosene, we turned around and went to Lymington for dinner...

 

[sim667]

I'm booked to dive on the SS Bristum a week on saturday

Sank by an air raid, she's sitting just off the South Coast, on a reef, only about 10 metres deep.

Didn't happen.... Bad weather

 

[oneflewover]

Kirov battlecruiser

As warships go, that's not a bad looking ship.

 

[mojo pixy]

My late dad's ship (HMS Juno) got rammed by it back in the very early '80s when they were patrolling in the Arctic, or so he claimed. Unless that's a different Kirov.

 

[2hats]

My late dad's ship (HMS Juno) got rammed by it back in the very early '80s when they were patrolling in the Arctic, or so he claimed. Unless that's a different Kirov.

Might have been the original Kirov (of the class) but that's been languishing in a shipyard since an accident with its nuclear power plant some years ago. The photo above is probably of the Pyotr Velikiy (there are only a couple in that class that are currently serviceable; a second one also suffered a damaging reactor accident).

 

[MikeMcc]

As warships go, that's not a bad looking ship.

Looks like something from EAs Red Alert games!

 

[MikeMcc]

Might have been the original Kirov (of the class) but that's been languishing in a shipyard since an accident with its nuclear power plant some years ago. The photo above is probably of the Pyotr Velikiy (there are only a couple in that class that are currently serviceable; a second one also suffered a damaging reactor accident).

Definitely the Peter the Great (183 on the image, though wiki is saying it should be 099)

Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy - Wikipedia

 

[Lancman]

The earlier Kirov's were very good looking as well, for their time. They were Italian designed and it showed.

 

[DownwardDog]

Does it run on coal or something?.

It runs on bunker oil like most other ships. Black smoke like that is a product of unburnt fuel particles usually due to incorrect air/fuel mixture or inadequate combustion temperatures.

 

[Spymaster]

They do have plans for a proper aircraft carrier, but as with all Russian military projects, it remains unclear when, if ever, it will see the light of day


Project 23000E - Wikipedia

I know fuck all about aircraft carriers but even I can see that when they take off those two planes are going to crash into each other.

Dumb Russians.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It runs on bunker oil like most other ships. Black smoke like that is a product of unburnt fuel particles usually due to incorrect air/fuel mixture or inadequate combustion temperatures.

It doesn't seem to get a very good MPG either, stopping in Cueta for more fuel.

Which is very odd, what with Cueta being part of Spain, a member of NATO and this ship being, well Russian.

 

[StoneRoad]

That (the mpg point) reminds me ...
Back in the late 1960s, the Navy used to do goodwill / recruitment visits to schools.
We got an early SeaKing and senior officer (etc) off the Ark Royal. After all the jollification we had a chance to ask questions ... one wag (not me !) asked what her full economy was like. The reply was "a gallon a fathom at flank speed" ... they got that thrashing across to Belize after topping up from their oiler (tanker) which followed, rather more slowly.
I don't think the Admiral K will be getting that, especially smoking as much as it has been, maybe that tug is more than just an escort.

 

[oneflewover]

It doesn't seem to get a very good MPG either, stopping in Cueta for more fuel.

Which is very odd, what with Cueta being part of Spain, a member of NATO and this ship being, well Russian.

Think of the Nectar points filling that up.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Think of the Nectar points filling that up.

Them Ruskies look like the sort of fellas who'll drive off without paying. Think I would too if I had a load of Migs sat there, wtf would the Spanish do about it?

 

[DotCommunist]

Cueta being part of Spain, a member of NATO and this ship being, well Russian.

When Ivan comes calling to port you don't turn down his money. Apparently the minister of something in spain said the decision would be reviewed which means 'lol we shall just refuel them'

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

When Ivan comes calling to port you don't turn down his money. Apparently the minister of something in spain said the decision would be reviewed which means 'lol we shall just refuel them'

Bet the sailors rob the shop of all the grot mags and polo mints too.

 

[Ax^]

How come Russia only has one carrier and it's a pile of wank? Would have thought they'd be able to afford a number of them and be shiny and new (bang an oligarch in the slammer and nick his cash, one carrier fully funded), so why ilwhen Putin is supposedly set on world domination is his navy so shit?

Could be worse could be building 2 shiny new aircraft carriers whilst having no planes that can take off from em


*shrugs*

 

[Spymaster]

When Ivan comes calling to port you don't turn down his money. Apparently the minister of something in spain said the decision would be reviewed which means 'lol we shall just refuel them'

They're not refuelling them now apparently.

 

[Chz]

Almost looks like it's steam powered

Because it is.

 

[gosub]

That (the mpg point) reminds me ...
Back in the late 1960s, the Navy used to do goodwill / recruitment visits to schools.
We got an early SeaKing and senior officer (etc) off the Ark Royal. After all the jollification we had a chance to ask questions ... one wag (not me !) asked what her full economy was like. The reply was "a gallon a fathom at flank speed" ... they got that thrashing across to Belize after topping up from their oiler (tanker) which followed, rather more slowly.
I don't think the Admiral K will be getting that, especially smoking as much as it has been, maybe that tug is more than just an escort.

Quite a good book on that

 

[bi0boy]

Because it is.

I was going to write "almost looks like it's powered through boiling water by the firing of coal" but I thought there might not be someone like you.

 

[Chz]

I was going to write "almost looks like it's powered through boiling water by the firing of coal" but I thought there might not be someone like you.

Change coal to fossil fuel and you're spot on.

You say that as if oil-fired turbine ships weren't considered to be "steam-powered" back in the day. They were. And it's quite rare in anything modern. Modern gas turbines use air instead of steam to drive the turbine.

To put it another way, Kuznetsov uses pre-WW2 tech as a prime mover. Of course, that should make it reliable. Which it ain't. I mean the US had worked out oil-fired, steam-driven turbines powering a turbo-electric drive back before the end of the first world war, for heaven's sake...

Now if we were talking about the Kirovs and their nuclear powered steam turbines, then you could argue I'm being a pedantic git.

 

[kebabking]

They're not refuelling them now apparently.

It will be interesting to see where they take on fuel from, or indeed how hard the carrier group can work if they don't take fuel on - aircraft doing a conventional take-off need all the help they can get in order to get in the air, so the carrier would be looking to get as close to 30+ knots as possible when they are doing Air Ops, and 30+ knots burns a lot of fuel...

I don't know how keen the Russians will be about having her dock in Syria, so I assume that her tanker ships will be going back and forth to Syria to keep the fleet topped up with Four Star.

Nice of them to park up near Cyprus so we can watch them as closely as possible...

 

[2hats]

They appear to be dawdling off the coast of Morocco for the time being. Both the oiler and tug that have been accompanying them have been loitering around there for the last day or so at least:

AIS movements might suggest that extra tankers may be being dispatched from the Baltic and Black Seas and they are perhaps waiting for them.

 

[existentialist]

They appear to be dawdling off the coast of Morocco for the time being. Both the oiler and tug that have been accompanying them have been loitering around there for the last day or so at least:
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AIS movements might suggest that extra tankers may be being dispatched from the Baltic and Black Seas and they are perhaps waiting for them.

That's a lot of trouble to go to if they weren't planning on upsetting NATO when they get to Syria

 

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[DownwardDog]

How come Russia only has one carrier and it's a pile of wank? ?

Because carrier aviation is extremely difficult and expensive. Russia has a GDP similar to South Korea or Australia and can't afford to do it properly or even adequately. There are no economies of scale from doing it with a single ship and tiny fleets of unique aircraft types (Su-33K, MiG-29K).