Scotland to establish minimum unit price for alcohol

[Pickman's model]

Will this increase pub prices? I thought they'd already be over 50p per unit.

yeh. you do know that pubs buy booze and don't pluck it out of the sky? if their booze is more expensive of course that's going to have to be passed on to drinkers.

 

[Sunset Tree]

and normal is... i'd say 5%

I was going with 4%. In my mind a can of tennants is the standard, not too weak not too strong.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

yeh. you do know that pubs buy booze and don't pluck it out of the sky?

You know they are talking about units not ABV?

 

[Pickman's model]

I was going with 4%. In my mind a can of tennants is the standard, not too weak not too strong.

in my mind an auld can of stella is the standard, 5.5%, not too weak and not too strong.

 

[Pickman's model]

You know they are talking about units not ABV?

well spotted. have i mentioned abv? have i referred to abv? have you thought this through? the answer's a resounding 'no' in each case.

 

[Sunset Tree]

yeh. you do know that pubs buy booze and don't pluck it out of the sky? if their booze is more expensive of course that's going to have to be passed on to drinkers.

I didn't realise this, I only really considered MUP in the context of off-sales prices. Can a supplier not sell it to a pub cheaper by the barrel?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

in my mind an auld can of stella is the standard, 5.5%, not too weak and not too strong.

2.8 Units in a pint of Stella = minimum price of £1.50 in a pub. Show me a pub which sells for less and I'll be on the next fucking train.

 

[NoXion]

You mean SHAAP and RWJF - A bunch of unaccountable/self-appointed/vested interest-laden, control-freaks, discussed here already.

Got a link?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Fuck the poor!

Wankers.

 

[Pickman's model]

2.8 Units in a pint of Stella = minimum price of £1.50 in a pub. Show me a pub which sells for less and I'll be on the next fucking train.

ah - i see where you're coming from. that was a difference over how strong normal beer is, not what constitutes a unit, and was further about cans and not pints.

 

[pogofish]

Got a link?

Try some of the existing discussions - Plus the ID card and Smoking ban threads. SHAAP launched themselves on the back of a plan to link drink purchase to the ID database and have fines/medical intervention imposed if you broke their arbitrary limits, RWJF were prime movers behind smoking bans worldwide but have repositioned to Alcohol in recent years. They strongly reflect US-style healthcare interests.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Try some of the existing discussions - Plus the ID card and Smoking ban threads. SHAAP launched themselves on the back of a plan to link drink purchase to the ID database and have fines/medical intervention imposed if you broke their arbitrary limits, RWJF were prime movers behind smoking bans worldwide but have repositioned to Alcohol in recent years. They strongly reflect US-style healthcare interests.

And while the same isn't true for smoking, for drinking, there is a strong link between wealth and consumption. The richer you are, the more you are likely to drink. This shit always gets framed as if it were the feckless poor causing all the health problems. It isn't.

 

[krtek a houby]

And while the same isn't true for smoking, for drinking, there is a strong link between wealth and consumption. The richer you are, the more you are likely to drink. This shit always gets framed as if it were the feckless poor causing all the health problems. It isn't.

That's interesting. I've never given much thought to the drinking habits of the rich and shameless. I don't mean celebs downing their £££ splashed about the tabloids etc. The elite.. that's not often mentioned, is it?

I guess they are allowed to bang on about the burden on the NHS whilst getting their livers dry cleaned by the going priavte option...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And while the same isn't true for smoking, for drinking, there is a strong link between wealth and consumption. The richer you are, the more you are likely to drink. This shit always gets framed as if it were the feckless poor causing all the health problems. It isn't.

That's interesting. I've never given much thought to the drinking habits of the rich and shameless. I don't mean celebs downing their £££ splashed about the tabloids etc. The elite.. that's not often mentioned, is it?

I guess they are allowed to bang on about the burden on the NHS whilst getting their livers dry cleaned by the going priavte option...

It's mentioned quite a lot: Surrey middle class top drinking league

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's interesting. I've never given much thought to the drinking habits of the rich and shameless. I don't mean celebs downing their £££ splashed about the tabloids etc. The elite.. that's not often mentioned, is it?

I guess they are allowed to bang on about the burden on the NHS whilst getting their livers dry cleaned by the going priavte option...

More to do with the middle classes knocking back the rioja, who won't be affected at all by this measure.

 

[DotCommunist]

when I saw the calculation for what a 5 quid bottle of red will now cost my first thought that was wines under 10 pounds do not exist for the middle classes. Even the 10 pound bottles are table wine to them lot.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I mentioned Canada in a previous post as providing the evidence base for this. It's just regions of Canada, not the whole country.

Don't mind pogofish, he's part of the urban matrix, hot-wired to the database, anyone starting a thread on a subject covered before will have the pogopolice pop-up with links to previous threads.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Do members of the Scottish Parliament have interests in Tesco, or something?

 

[pogofish]

And while the same isn't true for smoking, for drinking, there is a strong link between wealth and consumption. The richer you are, the more you are likely to drink. This shit always gets framed as if it were the feckless poor causing all the health problems. It isn't.

I don't think it matters either way - Taking control of policy became their primary consideration. There was a point some years back where RWJF indicated that alcohol control was the prize but declared it wanted nothing more to do with health/scientific aspects.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

yeh. you do know that pubs buy booze and don't pluck it out of the sky? if their booze is more expensive of course that's going to have to be passed on to drinkers.

I thought the extra money was going to be retail profit? Even freehouses would buy from wholesalers no? Pubs are the retailers - they get the extra profit?

It all seems pretty stupid to me. Taxing by ABV works fine as it is.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't think it matters either way - Taking control of policy became their primary consideration. There was a point some years back where RWJF indicated that alcohol control was the prize but declared it wanted nothing more to do with health/scientific aspects.

The worst of it is that it is pushed as 'progressive'. It is the epitome of regressive policy. And the cunts in the BMA have been pushing for this for years, making out that they're doing so in an apolitical way, as if it were some kind of politically neutral scientifically proven decision.

 

[krtek a houby]

More to do with the middle classes knocking back the rioja, who won't be affected at all by this measure.

By rioja, do you mean the coke/red wine drink? I guess it must have gone from an Iberian working class drink to British middle class tipple...

 

[cupid_stunt]

I thought the extra money was going to be retail profit? Even freehouses would buy from wholesalers no? Pubs are the retailers - they get the extra profit?

It all seems pretty stupid to me. Taxing by ABV works fine as it is.

The minimum price is per unit*, pubs already sell above the proposed minimum price per until, so nothing changes for them, this is designed to hit supermarkets & shops selling cheap alcohol.

* EG a can of Carling @ 1.8 units x 50p per unit would become 90p, whereas in bulk packages the likes of Tesco currently sell it at just over 50p per can. A whole pint of Carling would be around £1.00, whereas in a pub it's well above that already.

ETA: Of course, the number of units is connected to ABV anyway, the higher percentage of ABV, the higher number of units involved.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

By rioja, do you mean the coke/red wine drink? I guess it must have gone from an Iberian working class drink to British middle class tipple...

By rioja, I mean rioja. The wine named after the region.

 

[Orang Utan]

By rioja, do you mean the coke/red wine drink? I guess it must have gone from an Iberian working class drink to British middle class tipple...

rioja is just a red wine. don't go mixing it with coke now. you might be thinking of calimocho, but those spaniards are wronguns

 

[krtek a houby]

rioja is just a red wine. don't go mixing it with coke now

Getting my drinks mixed up. The cheap red with the cola. Not an expert on wines.

Whines, on the other hand...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Red wine and coke is for the kids.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Red wine and coke is for the kids.

It's for the 3 ltr platic bottles of the muck you can get in France, adding coke turns it from undrinkable filth in to something that slips down on a summer's teknival afternoon...

 

[krtek a houby]

Red wine and coke is for the kids.

Hell, yes. That's where we've been going wrong.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's for the 3 ltr platic bottles of the muck you can get in France, adding coke turns it from undrinkable filth in to something that slips down on a summer's teknival afternoon...

And those bottles cost less than the minimum price of a 750 ml bottle will be in Scotland. How do the poor possibly restrain themselves?