Schools in Lambeth discussion thread
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cuppa tee
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so are private ones, in fact they may be worse than faith schools.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Either. Although, wealthy parents are less likely to risk their offspring mixing with poor kids from 11 onward. By then, the glittering prize of Oxbridge is too close.
cuppa tee
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of course, and them being wealthy the preservation of the status quo is paramount.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
If I had sufficient cash, I'd be tempted by the evil of private education.
TruXta
tired
Why? State educated UK kids regularly score in the top 10 world rankings of skills and knowledge.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Yes - and Lambeth's secondary schools are well above average.
Still, private pupils get almost half the places at Oxbridge, while being 7pc of the school population.
Still, private pupils get almost half the places at Oxbridge, while being 7pc of the school population.
TruXta
tired
Who cares about Oxbridge? There's plenty of other world-leading unis in the UK.
bring back grammar schools. that split was the other way round years ago...
Not totally true. I know families who use the local schools. Most however move into a better catchment area when they can. There are lots of ways to get children into the good secondaries if they are clever. Many parents start in one school and then move to a school of their choice in year 3 or so.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
The Sutton Trust says otherwise:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mobileweb/2012/11/20/elite-dominate-sutton-trust_n_2162777.html
TruXta
tired
I don't dispute what that says - but why is it so important for YOU to have your kids get into Oxbridge?
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I don't.
TruXta
tired
OK, but then why are you tempted by private education?
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Because, if my children are to run the country, it seems to help.
TruXta
tired
Only a total bastard would want that for their kids! Anyway... enough of the derail. I've had three calls from the Fucksters today already...
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
or, like dozens that i know, they pack up and move to Godalming or the like.
The state schools that I know is South London do not reflect the area's they are based in. It's very depressing, if you ask me. Divisions along, mainly, class.
maybe it's always been the same, but my observation of this is particularly clear since having a nipper.
i'm a bit sick of all these middle class families i mix with who laugh at me with the idea of raising their kid here after a certain age (normally about 8).
"oh, but we wouldn't be able to let them out".
feel like answering: "ever thought that you're part of the problem?"
an impossible situation that is very complex.
it's all be discussed here before so won't bore...
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Are you sure about that? Although the proportion of state school school pupils at Oxbridge was higher in the grammar school era, public schools were still over-represented iirc.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Parents' level of education is a far bigger predictor of child educational attainment than school "performance"
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Absolutely. But that is largely a fixed variable (DNA, money etc). Which is why it is tempting to alter the other factors you can control (school choice)
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Yeah I can see that, but my point is that choice of school makes little difference in terms of exam results. Research bears this out. But we still seem to have this obsession with sending kids to the "best schools".
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Have drawn up some bar charts on Lambeth schools' performance (because I am like that) and, yes, that is basically the story. But then you get somewhere like Platanos, in Stockwell, that produces amazing results from a generally disadvantaged intake.
But that's because the schools you're looking at have children primarily from disadvantaged backgrounds. If you put a bright student with intelligent and active parents in those schools, that student would still do well.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Up to a point. Which is why education secretary Malificient Gove has added a new stat to school 'tables': '%age of pupils gaining AAB or better at A-level in at least two facilitating subjects'.
This seems to be '%age of pupils who can get into a leading university, but not just Oxbridge'.
At Lambeth Academy, for example, that %age now is zero.
However, it's a new place, with a small cohort, so the picture may improve.
I thought we were talking about primaries. Perhaps things do change in secondaries, depends on how the school is organised. Lambeth Academy is not a good example, my understanding is that the intake is from the more disadvantaged in Lambeth and very high SEN.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
About primaries, I believe you are right. And basically secondaries too. Lambeth Academy does not get the high-achieving kids that would get AABs at A-level. So far.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Perhaps there should be a stat for "%age of pupils who go on to be estate agents"
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
Posts merged in from the Work starts on the eagerly awaited new Foxtons office on Brixton Road thread.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Private schools are there to give there pupils the kind of suave confidence that one sees in the likes of people like Clegg and Cameron.
Exam results are secondary issue in reality. You can get some real thickos at "Independent" schools and they still end up doing alright when they leave. "Independent" schools are for reproducing a ruling class. Education should not be seen as a neutral activity separate from the rest of society.
Sorry, you lost me. You said you'd quite like to access private education for your kids as it gives them better outcomes then agreed with all the points I made to counter that. So I'm taking it that you mean that private schools would lead to better social outcomes for your kids in terms of knowing the right people and getting that sort of confidence Gramsci mentions in the post above.
