Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Loads of people go through to get to the park from Tulse Hill.
Say hello to Barratt Homes' 'Brixton Square' on Coldharbour Lane (old Cooltan site)
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TruXta
tired
Thought so yeah.
editor
hiraethified
No gate. That's what you need for a gated community, you see. And it's not a "communal walkway terrace." It's only for people who live on that floor, and the key fobs were programmed to keep out residents from other floors. I've never been on any of the other walkways, unless I'm visiting someone and I have no access at all to the other half of the block. And of course there is no large communal courtyard. And no gate anywhere.
I hope that clears up that silly misunderstanding once and for all.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
There's a thoroughfare to the park, yes. There are also signs making clear that you only have the right to go straight through, not to stray off the thoroughfare.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Don't know anything about the barrier block. There may well be ways it could have been designed better, but it's a bit late now.
re. Brockwell Gate - see post above.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Just waded through the last 5 pages of shit... 
Can anyone tell me when the planning meeting is please? I don't seem to have had my letter yet....
Can anyone tell me when the planning meeting is please? I don't seem to have had my letter yet....
Rushy
basically a scrotum
I also don't want to stir this up. But I think talk of keeping out the 'wider community' is inflammatory. It's a about controlling who has unfettered access and when.
In terms of preventing integration with the local community, if a gated development has loads of its own facilities inside, such as a pub, restaurant, shops, cinema, gym, pool, whatever, as many do making them self sufficient, then of course it affects integration. People outside are prevented from accessing those, usually far superior, facilities and people inside wont use facilities outside the development. These types of places are widespread in the States, Africa, Middle East. But there is no comparison to what is being built in Brixton. The occupants of the buildings are as reliant as anyone else upon outside services and facilities available in the local community. They will drink and eat in pubs and restaurants. Shop in the same market or supermarkets. Go to the Ritzy or Whirled Cineama. Sign up at the Brockwell Lido or Rec. As for the 'wider community' being excluded from the courtyard : from the artist's impression it appears to be mostly raised beds and paths with a couple of benches. And it will be shaded most of the year because it is narrow and surrounded by tall buildings. I really don't think anyone is being excluded from anything important or worthwhile and no pubic rights of way or shortcuts have been lost. I'd go as far as to say, why would anyone want or need to be in there other than curiosity?
I was fascinated by Clifton Mansions for years - there was something exciting, mysterious and even romantic about that hidden courtyard with its artworks, such as the horse's head, mosaics, dim yellow lighting, etc.. I have no recollection of the gate being regularly left open for anyone to casually wander in and out. And the few times I asked people if I could come in and take a look I was told no and was reminded that it was people's homes and "how would you feel if someone was walking around in your front garden", blah blah blah. Which was disappointing but I never really thought it was all that unreasonable.
I put a lockable gate at the front of my house. I did it because I was tired of people wandering into the front garden and taking a piss, being woken by prostitutes shagging clients outside the window (once opening the front door whilst a girl was being shagged against it from beind), dealers, junkies shooting up or smoking pipes, often followed by taking a huge messy shit or, in one case, dry humping the stone paving at 5am screaming "I love you". [Ok the last one was quite amusing but quite frightening for the person downstairs.] Frankly, I can't think of any good reason for someone to be in my 6' front garden.
My Brixton Housing Coop neighbours have also had a locked gate put in for exactly the same reasons.
So whilst it might be nice for the place not to be gated - I think there is a reasonable practical reason why it is. The reason is the same reason that communal areas in a block have security. Pretending that it is something more sinister which reflects on the nature of the occupants is, I think, divisive.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
When you say there's "no gate anywhere", do you mean that instead of a gate, it's a door? Do you consider this to be the significant difference?
An area that serves a group of individual dwellings is a communal area, FYI, so the walkways most definitely are communal areas.
Do you feel it's wrong that there is controlled access to the walkway terraces? Would you rather the public had access?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Spot on.
in the view of Lambeth Council's Planning department...
editor
hiraethified
Got the precise figures for this "substantial" amount and the costings for the "affordable" housing? Thanks.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
They're trying to reduce the amount of "affordable" housing they have to provide.
The amount of affordable housing is a matter of public record - you can look at the Lambeth Council's planning website.
Haven't a clue about how much it will cost people who rent / buy it... But I guess the fact is was acceptable for Lambeth Council provides some comfort that the needs of the wider community have been appropriately considered...
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
I live behind gates in some of the cheapest private flats to be found in Brixton. Gates etc as communal security features for blocks of flats and parking are neither new nor restricted to private (wealthy) developments. As said it's a massive red herring. I'm sick of hearing it.
My friend lives in a 'gated community' too, in Kennington. You have to pass through two security doors to get to the 'community areas' then a further security door for each block of flats. It even has a concierge! You can't get a car onto the property unless you have a key to lower security blocks. It's council housing though.
My friend lives in a 'gated community' too, in Kennington. You have to pass through two security doors to get to the 'community areas' then a further security door for each block of flats. It even has a concierge! You can't get a car onto the property unless you have a key to lower security blocks. It's council housing though.
Of course - they are in it to make a profit... It is the council's job to consider the wider needs of the community.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Lots of flats in the area have a security gate at pavement edge, then some kind of communal area, lawn, garden, car park etc, and then flats. quimcunx lives in one. The estate opposite the hootahob does too, iirc.
There are many, many things to be pissed off about with Brixton square. But it the fact of a secure gate, at street level, is not a novelty in the area at all.
There are many, many things to be pissed off about with Brixton square. But it the fact of a secure gate, at street level, is not a novelty in the area at all.
You guess. This is Lambeth - and I'm guessing that you haven't lived here very long if you guess that the council seriously considers the needs of people living here.
TruXta
tired
Ahahahahahahahaha! HAHAHA! HA!
No, the needs of the community have not been considered at all. The need for LC to line their pockets and schmooze with property developers has.
Chilavert
Undermining strikes :-(
Quite. And this is the real issue, not all the talk of gates, as has already been mentioned more than once.
299 old timer
Well-Known Member
Excellent points. Wandering around old stomping grounds I note that everything has a high fence or a gate nowadays, it's really obvious if you haven't been to a particular area for a few years.
As for the development in question, I'd rather ask: Who in their right mind would pay £400k to live in that dump?"
in that case, it is a good thing that they are elected officials who can be held to account by their constituents.
yeah right.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I have emailed a reqest to speak at the planning committee on the 12th on the variation of the Section 106 on affordable housing. There can be up to three speakers who oppose the applicatio. Each get 3 minutes. If anyone else who put in a written individual comment on the application wants to speak. You have to contact Lambeth at the lastest the day before.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
My internet at home is down so have only skimmed recent posts.
The issue is property developers (big and small) and buy to let merchants with there portfolio of houses to rent do not care if the prices they charge push people out of Brixton.
Whether its gated or not these businesses and individuals who profit from a basic human need to be housed are the enemy.
They are out to make a profit not to provide a much needed resource- housing.
Barratts are a large business and are trying to argue that the original Section 106 of a few units being let at social rent is to onerous on them.
The issue is property developers (big and small) and buy to let merchants with there portfolio of houses to rent do not care if the prices they charge push people out of Brixton.
Whether its gated or not these businesses and individuals who profit from a basic human need to be housed are the enemy.
They are out to make a profit not to provide a much needed resource- housing.
Barratts are a large business and are trying to argue that the original Section 106 of a few units being let at social rent is to onerous on them.
I agree with you when it comes to buy-to-let. BTL sucks supply out of the market as it only makes use of existing housing stock which forces up rents and house prices.
The key issue is that not enough housing is being built in London. This is forcing up prices as the population continues to grow. Prices in Brixton will rise regardless of whether this block is built.
The key issue is that not enough housing is being built in London. This is forcing up prices as the population continues to grow. Prices in Brixton will rise regardless of whether this block is built.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
What about the Gates of Heaven? Is that a gated community?
