RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Treacle Toes]

They can get a warrant and get access to it sure but they're not going to modify it to protect a suspects feelings/dignity.

Not true. I know someone who was wrongly suspected of a serious crime. The police took charge of his FB account whilst investigating him. He gave them access to prove he had nothing to hide. Whilst they had control of it they also deleted all the hateful messages locals/randoms were sending him. They then deactivated his account and left it to him to re-activate if he wanted.

 

[salem]

OK, seems like a massive can of worms to me though

 

[killer b]

I'm not going to disrupt this thread by talking about Facebook, but they have a long record of leaving poisonous, illegal and sometimes downright dangerous material online for as long as it suits them. The kind of shit that gets taken down in minutes here. And that's my last comment on them.

I don't disagree with any of this, but it seems pretty unlikely that they wouldn't respond swiftly to any official requests from the cops in connection to this case. Hard to imagine what might suit them in not doing? Ignoring peons is par for the course, obviously.

 

[Treacle Toes]

OK, seems like a massive can of worms to me though

I agree but SM is key to lots of investigations now and if I were the fuzz I'd be looking too.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not going to disrupt this thread by talking about Facebook, but they have a long record of leaving poisonous, illegal and sometimes downright dangerous material online for as long as it suits them. The kind of shit that gets taken down in minutes here. And that's my last comment on them.

And why shouldn't they leave potential evidence up? Could be a target-busting bundle of evidence for the cops for these people making malicious communications. In a year in which arrests are almost certainly rather down on normal levels things like this will allow them to make up ground on their quotas

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Just seen a report that the suspect has been rushed to hospital with head injuries after collapsing in his cell.

 

[editor]

And why shouldn't they leave potential evidence up? Could be a target-busting bundle of evidence for the cops for these people making malicious communications. In a year in which arrests are almost certainly rather down on normal levels things like this will allow them to make up ground on their quotas

I wish you'd respected what I said in post #448, but - FYI - there is no reason why the evidence can't be kept intact but also removed from public view.

 

[editor]

Just seen a report that the suspect has been rushed to hospital with head injuries after collapsing in his cell.

Sounds familiar:

The incident occurred while Couzens was spending a second night in custody at the police station. It is understood he was alone at the time he suffered the head injuries.

 

[Manter]

I’ve been trying to think of why the statistically unlikely thing has pissed me off so much.

I think it’s partly the idea that statistics are some some of neutral force, as opposed to just info about people pulled together by people, and as likely to be flawed, partisan etc as anything else. Whereas women know that stats on violence against women are guesswork and fantasy. So for it to be talked about as some magic force that should make us shut up and sit down is.... Insulting

 

[Pickman's model]

I wish you'd respected what I said in post #448, but - FYI - there is no reason why the evidence can't be kept intact but also removed from public view.

I did respect what you said, about your not commenting further. I didn't realise that meant no one could quote your post and comment on it. There's likely a great queue of FB bollocks for the mods there to deal with and it's entirely possible much of what appears hasn't been reported. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the cops said hold up from taking that lot down for a bit, we'll get more people like that.

 

[SpookyFrank]

So at last a filth learns what it's like to get your head kicked in in an empty cell.

 

[Athos]

Not true. I know someone who was wrongly suspected of a serious crime. The police took charge of his FB account whilst investigating him. He gave them access to prove he had nothing to hide. Whilst they had control of it they also deleted all the hateful messages locals/randoms were sending him. They then deactivated his account and left it to him to re-activate if he wanted.

I suspect they'd claim his consent (evidenced by providing the login) extended (explicitly or implicitly) to them managing the account. Because I don't think they'd have any power to modify someone's account without their consent, and it's a prima facie breach of their article 8 rights.

 

[existentialist]

I’ve been trying to think of why the statistically unlikely thing has pissed me off so much.

I think it’s partly the idea that statistics are some some of neutral force, as opposed to just info about people pulled together by people, and as likely to be flawed, partisan etc as anything else. Whereas women know that stats on violence against women are guesswork and fantasy. So for it to be talked about as some magic force that should make us shut up and sit down is.... Insulting

The thing that irritates me about the "statistically unlikely" thing is that it reduces a profound human experience (fear of assault) to a mere percentage chance. There's no acknowledgement of the very real feelings and emotions that this incident, rare as it might be, will have aroused in a very large number of people.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Just seen a report that the suspect has been rushed to hospital with head injuries after collapsing in his cell.

Did he fall down the stairs?

 

[Pickman's model]

Did he fall down the stairs?

The notoriously slippery steps

 

[spanglechick]

He’s back in custody now. If he manages to take himself out on his own terms, or if some fuckheaded toxic violent men in the police force kill him before he stands trial then male violence will have won again. He needs to stay alive and fucking face what he has done, face her relatives in court, face what he’s done to his poor bloody children, and his family. No more violence for this man. It’s too bloody easy.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Yep, no early escapes

 

[existentialist]

I wondered if he might be setting himself up nicely for an insanity defence.

 

[Edie]

He’s back in custody now. If he manages to take himself out on his own terms, or if some fuckheaded toxic violent men in the police force kill him before he stands trial then male violence will have won again. He needs to stay alive and fucking face what he has done, face her relatives in court, face what he’s done to his poor bloody children, and his family. No more violence for this man. It’s too bloody easy.

Hear hear. Plus if you are not safe in police custody, in prison, in secure psychiatric hospitals, when the state has your freedom and your life in its hands, none of us are safe. Cheer at someone’s beating now, you can’t condemn the next SpookyFrank

 

[MickiQ]

Whilst there may be lower ranked plod up for giving him a kicking, the higher ranks are going to want him to stand trial. This is a massive PR nightmare for the Met, him meeting an untimely end in a police cell is just going to make it even worse.
I can't imagine his life in prison is going to be something to look forward too nd he must know that, I suspect he probably reckons death is his best and probably only way out at this point.

 

[killer b]

I was wondering if the Met might be setting themselves up for a neat little judge led enquiry rather than a lengthy and messy jury trial when allsorts might come out tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hear hear. Plus if you are not safe in police custody, in prison, in secure psychiatric hospitals, when the state has your freedom and your life in its hands, none of us are safe. Cheer at someone’s beating now, you can’t condemn the next SpookyFrank

None of us are safe.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was wondering if the Met might be setting themselves up for a neat little judge led enquiry rather than a lengthy and messy jury trial when allsorts might come out tbh.

Trial - the likely worst that comes out is the met knew about his proclivities. Inquiry - maybe there's a lot of very dodgy things going on among the armed police. One loner or rotten apple who they'll argue fell through the gaps v potential systemic failings. I think they'd prefer the lesser reputational damage a trial might bring out. And if he pleads guilty then (from the met pov) so much the better

 

[SpookyFrank]

He’s back in custody now. If he manages to take himself out on his own terms, or if some fuckheaded toxic violent men in the police force kill him before he stands trial then male violence will have won again. He needs to stay alive and fucking face what he has done, face her relatives in court, face what he’s done to his poor bloody children, and his family. No more violence for this man. It’s too bloody easy.

Far, far too easy for the met as well.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hear hear. Plus if you are not safe in police custody, in prison, in secure psychiatric hospitals, when the state has your freedom and your life in its hands, none of us are safe. Cheer at someone’s beating now, you can’t condemn the next SpookyFrank

I'm not cheering anything. I want to see both him and his employers held to account for this. In so far as that's possible when poacher and gamekeeper are one and the same.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I wondered if he might be setting himself up nicely for an insanity defence.

I did wonder when he would cite PTSD or something....we shall have to wait, but they better keep him alive.

 

[spanglechick]

Personally, the fact that he’s a copper is a sideshow. This doesn’t seem like a valid stick to beat the Met with (and fuck knows there are more than enough valid reasons to attack the met).

Men like this don’t need to be cops to use and dispose of women’s lives, any more than John Worboys needed to be a cabbie. It might provide opportunity but there have been countless other men who have taken and murdered the women they saw. The next man that does this will have a different job and do it a different way. The job isn’t the fucking problem.

The problem is male violence.

 

[Manter]

Trial - the likely worst that comes out is the met knew about his proclivities. Inquiry - maybe there's a lot of very dodgy things going on among the armed police. One loner or rotten apple who they'll argue fell through the gaps v potential systemic failings. I think they'd prefer the lesser reputational damage a trial might bring out. And if he pleads guilty then (from the met pov) so much the better

It’s always the fucking rotten apple excuse, isn’t it?

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s always the fucking rotten apple excuse, isn’t it?

Maybe it's time to get rid of the auld apples and the auld barrel and get new ones in which aren't worm-ridden or putrescent

 

[little_legs]

I'd like to share something that happened two summers ago.

We had people round due to some of our mutual friends being back in London. Drinks and food - started late Saturday afternoon went on till early Sunday am.
When it cake to leaving time, one of my wife's uni friends who came on her own, wouldn't take the offer of a shared Uber etc to take her back to her Air B'nB, which was in Battersea. She was adamant that she could 'find her own way' etc.
Despite my wife (her friend of over 24 years) repeatedly asking her to either stay with us or get a cab, she left to go home.
I followed her, not only due to my wife insistence but my own fear of her getting lost/falling over or worse. I just wanted her to be safe and in her inebriated state, I couldn't be sure.
Over 90 mins later she had walked the whole distance to her accommodation unknowing that I was following her.

Few days later she called to say thank you for the party etc and wonderful to see everyone. My wife then explained what I had done .The friend was incandescent with rage, how we had not listened to her and disrespected her etc. My wife was both shocked and very upset.

She has not been in contact with us since.

That evening, we did the right thing and made the right choice in my opinion.

I tell you this story, not out of any kind of virtue signalling or woe betide us men having to make tough decisions etc, but to highlight that the majority f men know what to do and how to behave.

fucking LOL wouldn't take the offer of a shared Uber after food and drinks, because you know Uber drivers had never sexually assaulted and kidnapped passengers.