Recent attacks in Iraq
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
it'll need a wash....
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I'm thinking they were thinking about it, with those semi-talks, yesterday: then the Democratic Party said "you can't do that or we lose the election".
Animosity against Iran runs very deep on the US Right. Hostages (1979-81). Deliberately forgetting about Iran-Contra under Reagan (1985-87).
So the necessary relations with Iran are subcontracted to the UK.
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DairyQueen
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Why is partition being ruled out? Surely that would be the most humane and sensible basis for peace negotiations?
No state government is going to accept any kind of treaty, international law or international negotiation unless the principle that no state shall ever lose territory is loudly and repeatedly proclaimed.
There's a specific Cold War history to this principle, too, IIRC.
Then reality kicks in.
Agreed. Three pieces......Sunni chunk, Shia chunk, Kurdish chunk. The logical solution. But the boundaries will be drawn by wars I'm afraid.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, what's needed is a new Sykes-Picot. Come on US and others, pull your finger out!
Meanwhile, Rise up Iraq:
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Because partition has such a long glorious history of being succesful...
Sir Humphrey believed partition was successful in Ireland, India, Cyprus etc... they're so busy fighting each other that they don't fight anyone else.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Because partition has such a long glorious history of being succesful
Plus kudistan includes bits of turkey syria and iran
Yeah thats not exactly going to end well.
Best case scenario for an independent Iraqi Kurdistan (I applied for a job there a couple of years back!) is to be a sock puppet of Ankara. And best case scenarios are such a common outcome of strife in that region.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
one is reminded of Comical Ali...
whether the IG, or ISIS is in control of the oil refinery is - to some degree - irrelevent. the political message is that regardless of its protestations, the Iraqi government is very far from in control. people may well think that if the IG is in such deep shit that it has to publicly ask the US for air support the US does not want to give, then the IG may not be long for this world, and that it may be time to reach an accomodation with ISIS.
whether the IG, or ISIS is in control of the oil refinery is - to some degree - irrelevent. the political message is that regardless of its protestations, the Iraqi government is very far from in control. people may well think that if the IG is in such deep shit that it has to publicly ask the US for air support the US does not want to give, then the IG may not be long for this world, and that it may be time to reach an accomodation with ISIS.
newharper
Manxome Tove
I have no idea who these peeps are except conspiraloons.
Interesting times eh.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-de...-of-a-us-sponsored-islamist-caliphate/5386998
elbows
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't place a lot of faith in their analysis but at least some of those thoughts are interesting and not every single paragraph is covered in utter bullshit of the unhinged conspiraloon variety at least.
A much earlier article of theirs has recently been republished and focuses heavily on that map and related issues. I think they mischaracterise the purpose and influence on official policy of that map, but again many of the details they talk about are of some interest.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-...e-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
As for Ralph Peters, the wikipedia entry for him details his flip-flopping over Iraq as the situation changed on the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters
If there were a US project to at least somewhat redraw the map, I think it's still too early to confirm its existence with any degree of certainty. It remains a possibility I suppose, and the current situation in Iraq does have the potential to test the theory as events progress. But there have been opportunities to encourage such stuff in Iraq previously, and at the most crucial of those times the US definitely worked to shore up the Iraqi state in its existing form rather than Balkanise it. Perhaps the equation has changed this time or 'the plan' is more ripe now that it was then, but it will take a number of dramatic events and (in)actions for me to buy into this possibility properly.
A much earlier article of theirs has recently been republished and focuses heavily on that map and related issues. I think they mischaracterise the purpose and influence on official policy of that map, but again many of the details they talk about are of some interest.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-...e-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
As for Ralph Peters, the wikipedia entry for him details his flip-flopping over Iraq as the situation changed on the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters
If there were a US project to at least somewhat redraw the map, I think it's still too early to confirm its existence with any degree of certainty. It remains a possibility I suppose, and the current situation in Iraq does have the potential to test the theory as events progress. But there have been opportunities to encourage such stuff in Iraq previously, and at the most crucial of those times the US definitely worked to shore up the Iraqi state in its existing form rather than Balkanise it. Perhaps the equation has changed this time or 'the plan' is more ripe now that it was then, but it will take a number of dramatic events and (in)actions for me to buy into this possibility properly.
If you want to see what ISIS propaganda looks like then Live Leak have an upload with English subs. We seem to be basically in 16th Century Europe with intenese fighting between Catholics and Protestants. The film gives a deep insight into the group and its methods.
But this is utterly heartbreaking material- and probably the most poignant anti-war film I have ever seen or will ever see about the tragedy of conflict.They even film a man and his two sons digging their own grave before killing them. They are totally without humanity or pity. Let's hope as many of these new barbarians can be eliminated as soon as possible - no-one bar the young male fighters themselves indulging in some horrifically uber exciting video games with real life weapons, death and destruction would want to live in any sort of state they could create.
WARNING EXTREMELY BARBARIC GRAPHIC FOOTAGE - if in doubt don't watch.
But this is utterly heartbreaking material- and probably the most poignant anti-war film I have ever seen or will ever see about the tragedy of conflict.They even film a man and his two sons digging their own grave before killing them. They are totally without humanity or pity. Let's hope as many of these new barbarians can be eliminated as soon as possible - no-one bar the young male fighters themselves indulging in some horrifically uber exciting video games with real life weapons, death and destruction would want to live in any sort of state they could create.
WARNING EXTREMELY BARBARIC GRAPHIC FOOTAGE - if in doubt don't watch.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the really intense prod/catholic violence took place in c17
I stand corrected - but the graphic horror of murderous slaughter carried out pitilessly in the name of religion is something we seldom see. In their video they positively glory in their pitiless,inhuman fanaticism. One could posit that they have already got close to the maximum number of nut jobs that they could be expected to recruit and since they currently like to travel quite openly in convoys then they could begin to lose quite a few due to air strikes. Combined with massive surveillance of their coms we may have seen the high point of their 'triumphs' .Plus anybody fighting them now knows it's a fight to the death - surrender is not an option.
The other issue is that their our 1000s of battle fearless hardened soldiers who if they have to go back to cell-like structures could inflict slaughter on Iraq till kingdom come. Not to mention many of the western born Jihadists in their ranks.
As gorgeous George warned Blair before the second gulf war - you have opened the jaws of Hell.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sadly blair no dentist
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Lol. Internet bantz.
Not enough people are aware that the Thirty Years' War was the most destructive - in terms of proportion of population killed - ever.
The name itself is scary enough...
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
It was only three eigths as bad as the Eighty Years War tho.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
less than a third as bad as the Hundred Years War against the French though, and as all right thinking Englishmen know, 100 years of war against the French Devil is a pitiful effort.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Bet when that started someone said 'nah, be over by Xmas'.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
well, yes, given that extensive list of French military victories.... the 100 years wars were, of course, the result of cheating and perfidy by the French.
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