Recent attacks in Iraq

[coley]

i think i got my idea of the make up from Gary Brecher:
"something like 10,000 fighters. Most of them are Iraqi, a few are Syrian, and a few hundred are those famous “European jihadis” who draw press attention out of all relation to their negligible combat value. The real strength of ISIS comes from its Chechen fighters, up to a thousand of them. A thousand Chechens is a serious force, and a terrifying one if they’re bearing down on your neighborhood. Chechens are the scariest fighters, pound-for-pound, in the world."

Supposedly 500 Brits? Chechens are the scariest fighters? Link?

 

[ska invita]

Supposedly 500 Brits? Chechens are the scariest fighters? Link?

http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war...-know-about-too-extreme-for-al-qaeda-i-s-i-s/
^^^from JUNE 16
we;re two months down the line from that date now
who knows how he knows or what a definitive source is

 

[butchersapron]

Maliki goes, I wonder what guarantees he got.

 

[where to]

Iran had a word?

 

[butchersapron]

Iran had a word?

Maybe, someone had to pull him down and offer him something - he's a dead man with no protection.

 

[Casually Red]

Paddy Ashdown seems quite keen to factor in an end of the Sykes-Picot borders into his expectations:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/14/western-intervention-isis-iraq-muslim

well spotted. But what Ashdown is actually doing is acting as the frontman for the end of syes picot. Formulating the endgame behind the deliberate destabilsation of nation states in the first place. Unless you actually believe the west went after Saddam Gadaffi and Assad because they were bad men and undemocratic ?
when these people said new world order they actually meant it. Bosnia type ethnocentric bantustans is the endgame here.

 

[butchersapron]

lol

Who the occupiers? How they get there?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@SkyNewsBreak
Iraqi media reporting Nouri al-Maliki has given up his post as Iraq's Prime Minister and supports Haider al-Abadi as his successor

 

[Casually Red]

He seems to be talking a lot of sense.

hes talking a load of bollocks my old china. People like him deliberately created the destabilization and then come along later with the magic solution for ther own deliberate fucking mess. Which was why they created the mess ...to come up with the very thing they wanted changed in the first place.

 

[Casually Red]

Sounds like they'll need backing and fast - could go either way - sounds like it has the potential of a massacre in the making.

Anyone know what the Free Syrian Army are up to? First result in google for FSA is this, just posted in the Wall St Journal
http://online.wsj.com/articles/want-to-defeat-isis-help-the-syrian-opposition-1407971766
Want to Defeat ISIS? Help the Syrian Opposition
Our warnings about the terrorist group are coming true. Please send advanced military aid before it's too late.
by "Mr. al-Bahra, president of the Syrian Opposition Coalition."

as everyone knows their remaining people will either defect to Isis with it or Isis wll just take it off them i suspect their real game is just seeking more weapons for Isis to counter any gear the kurds mght get.

 

[ska invita]

as everyone knows their remaining people will either defect to Isis with it or Isis wll just take it off them i suspect their real game is just seeking more weapons for Isis to counter any gear the kurds mght get.

it does sounds a lot like "we're really moderate now i promise, perfectly safe to give us more weapons, we'll fight moderately with them, honest"...which is the big danger here on all fronts - so many players, so many grudges, so many things to fight for and against - if the west starts going all out arming proxys in order to avoid setting foot its got blood bath written all over it. its already one of course

hes talking a load of bollocks my old china. People like him deliberately created the destabilization and then come along later with the magic solution for ther own deliberate fucking mess. Which was why they created the mess ...to come up with the very thing they wanted changed in the first place.

was the last USUK invasion of Iraq really meant to achieve this situation? Its not impossible - certainly this was what was predicted and warned by those whose job it is to predict and warn, but it is also possible that this wasn't what they expected, that their arrogance really did make them think the war would be short and a new stable regime installed quickly. Either option is within the bounds of possibility.

Ashdown doesnt strike me as the grand chess long game player....in regards to the 2003 invasion i would guess he supported it on the basis that it would be a successful regime change, i dont think hes the structural collapse on purpose type.

 

[coley]

hes talking a load of bollocks my old china. People like him deliberately created the destabilization and then come along later with the magic solution for ther own deliberate fucking mess. Which was why they created the mess ...to come up with the very thing they wanted changed in the first place.

How did he, and the lib dems, creat the mess? Just curious.

 

[goldenecitrone]

How did he, and the lib dems, creat the mess? Just curious.

Paddy 'the puppetmaster' Ashdown is the driving force behind the New World Order. All that Lib Dem shite is just a front. Don't be fooled by Sarah Teather, either.

 

[coley]

Paddy 'the puppetmaster' Ashdown is the driving force behind the New World Order. All that Lib Dem shite is just a front.

You missed the, ''

 

[elbows]

Not just any lib dem though, he got to be the Viceroy of Bosnia for quite a while.

 

[butchersapron]

Those bastards: having to feed your own spit to babies mouth to keep it alive

Hard vid:
They're walking down precipes.

 

[ska invita]

Those bastards: having to feed your own spit to babies mouth to keep it alive

Hard vid:
They're walking down precipes.

STWC are parotting a piece that tries to make out there was no crisis on the mountain...
"A false story of a massive Yazidi crisis and a largely mythical siege is now being used to justify a new war in Iraq. But where did the story come from?"
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-tale...sn-t-and-the-one-in-gaza-that-is#.U-08gH5InIX

How did he, and the lib dems, creat the mess? Just curious.

It is at least true to say that whenever theres a discussion about sending UK troops in somewhere Paddy Ashdown is usually the first banging the drum. He loves it.

 

[butchersapron]

Stop the war are wrong. There were just people living up a mountain. I don't need to do any more.

 

[coley]

STWC are parotting a piece that tries to make out there was no crisis on the mountain...
"A false story of a massive Yazidi crisis and a largely mythical siege is now being used to justify a new war in Iraq. But where did the story come from?"
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-tale...sn-t-and-the-one-in-gaza-that-is#.U-08gH5InIX

It is at least true to say that whenever theres a discussion about sending UK troops in somewhere Paddy Ashdown is usually the first banging the drum. He loves it.

Aye, but he isn't suggesting it, I found his contribution balanced and realistic, though the thought of leaving the IS in control of anything is deeply disturbing.

 

[ska invita]

i think STWC are wrong too... pretty shoddy...i hate that grasping for a story that suits mentality

 

[Casually Red]

Not just any lib dem though, he got to be the Viceroy of Bosnia for quite a while.

he got to be king of Bosnia for a reason and its not because he was a lib dem.

 

[elbows]

I think it would be possible to construct a sane article that included questions about the exact numbers, the idea that the word siege was potentially misleading, and the idea that the awful plight of people can be very effective propaganda.

The stop the war stuff makes far too many assumptions of its own and isn't really the way I would like to explore the above questions.

Personally when I read the news about there being far fewer people still there, I really wanted to know how many were still up there and exactly when and where the others had gone.

Well I see that conditions appear to have enabled a BBC journalist to drive up there, which poses one or two questions in itself. The actual piece answers some of my questions but does a real sloppy job of not properly addressing others, and some of the language used such as describing those who are still there as stragglers didn't impress me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28796275

I've not had much time to read/watch other news sources recently, have other journalists been driving up there?

 

[Casually Red]

How did he, and the lib dems, creat the mess? Just curious.

he was up to his bollocks agreeng with Blair behind the scenes and still supports the invasion as the right thing to do. And then some. Not only was he a long time green slime spy..and probably still is... hes a rabid interventonist . if hes not callng for interventon its because Isis have delvered the result they always wanted. The permanent break up of Iraq and Syria into little managable peices. Just as he wanted Yugoslavia broken up from the very beginning too.

And a fucing liar too .

Caught telling porkies in the Hague.

 

[DotCommunist]

just read a fairly mental claim that isis are in gaza.

 

[teqniq]

I would hope not, but nothing would surprise me atm. Linky?

 

[ska invita]

just read a fairly mental claim that isis are in gaza.

Vocativ’s ridiculous I.S.I.S. story fails to mention the company’s deep links to Israeli intelligence
BY GARY BRECHER 29 DAYS AGO
I’m sure you’ve heard the latest scare headline: “I.S.I.S. Has Now Infiltrated the Gaza Strip”! Yes indeed, this is a huge breakthrough. You know why? Because it’s the stupidest, most fake headline involving I.S.I.S. in all the years that I.S.I.S. has been featuring in fake scare headlines
http://pando.com/2014/07/16/vocativ...-companys-deep-links-to-israeli-intelligence/

 

[ska invita]

I think it would be possible to construct a sane article that included questions about the exact numbers, the idea that the word siege was potentially misleading, and the idea that the awful plight of people can be very effective propaganda.

The stop the war stuff makes far too many assumptions of its own and isn't really the way I would like to explore the above questions.

Personally when I read the news about there being far fewer people still there, I really wanted to know how many were still up there and exactly when and where the others had gone.

Well I see that conditions appear to have enabled a BBC journalist to drive up there, which poses one or two questions in itself. The actual piece answers some of my questions but does a real sloppy job of not properly addressing others, and some of the language used such as describing those who are still there as stragglers didn't impress me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28796275

I've not had much time to read/watch other news sources recently, have other journalists been driving up there?

it would be good to read something a bit more forensic on it. my impression is that the PKK made breakthrough on the job for the most part a few days ago

 

[ska invita]

he was up to his bollocks agreeng with Blair behind the scenes and still supports the invasion as the right thing to do. And then some. Not only was he a long time green slime spy..and probably still is... hes a rabid interventonist . if hes not callng for interventon its because Isis have delvered the result they always wanted. The permanent break up of Iraq and Syria into little managable peices. Just as he wanted Yugoslavia broken up from the very beginning too.

And a fucing liar too .

Caught telling porkies in the Hague.

agree with all that apart form the bit that this was this fractured outcome was what he had in mind - i really think on this occasion it was not what he expected, even if US planner may have done.

 

[Casually Red]

agree with all that apart form the bit that this was this fractured outcome was what he had in mind - i really think on this occasion it was not what he expected, even if US planner may have done.

what he may have had in mind was the Kurds going first...or syria fallng first and sunnis joining the sunni bit of it

not the sequence thats important... only the desired outcome

 

[elbows]

it would be good to read something a bit more forensic on it. my impression is that the PKK made breakthrough on the job for the most part a few days ago

I've not had time to digest even the obvious articles from recent days but I suspect we can glean quite a bit of detail if the following from yesterday is anything to go by. This was the point just before we got news of the sudden change of assessment. Narratives about very large number of people having escaped via the north to Syria had not yet erased concerns about very large numbers still trapped, apparently because of the impression that people on the south side of the mountain needed some large, dangerous land operation or rather large air operation to free them.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/us-ground-troops-direct-role-evacuate-yazidis-iraq

Aid and human rights officials say they stranded population, estimated at being between 20,000 to 30,000 cannot survive on air drops alone for much longer.

Dwyer, speaking from Irbil, the main city in Kurdistan, said that the Yazidis were spread over multiple locations across the bare mountain. Those towards the north had a means to walk towards Syria to escape, but he said the walk of at least seven hours was gruelling and dangerous as militants could reach part of the route. Those on the south side were more completely hemmed in by Isis militants.

Nearly all those to have escaped have done so from the northern flank of Mount Sinjar, which was cleared of Islamic State jihadists over the weekend.

Officials at the Feshkhabour crossing from Syria say at least 1,000 Yazidis crossed into Kurdistan on Wednesday, adding to the estimated 40,000 who have made the journey since Sunday. Nearly all are now sleeping rough between the border and the city of Duhok, around 100km away.

Based on this sort of thing I think for now if I needed a shorthand characterisation of the reality, the news and the propaganda, I'd say that the narrative was running with a fair degree of lag behind the reality. Or at least one possible reality didn't exit the stage in a timely fashion once another somewhat contradictory one came into view.