BristolEcho
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Wondering if any Urbs can recommend me some books that set out a good background on this and alternatives? 
Prison Abolition Books
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
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Ruth Wilson Gilmore has one coming out next year that I've heard plugged a few times. She did the Golden Gulag. I haven't read it but I think it was more an analysis of the prison system than the case for abolition exactly.Wondering if any Urbs can recommend me some books that set out a good background on this and alternatives?
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
Carceral Capitalism - Jackie Wang
BristolEcho
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Thanks all will check. It's something I'm interested in and in a basic level for, but realise it would help to have a bit more information particularly if/when discussing with others.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Do these (No doubt erudite) books explain 1) why incarcerating criminals (prisons) is worse than incarcerating non-criminals, and 2) without prisons, where should be done with criminals like this man ?
He admitted 21 offences and was jailed for 11 years.
The court heard one of the victims, who has since died of natural causes, made a complaint about Daniell's touching but he denied it and it was not acted on.
Her mother said in a statement to the court "no words" could describe "how devastating this is on top of having lost our daughter".
She said: "She felt trapped in the unit with a person in authority preying on her".
He admitted 21 offences and was jailed for 11 years.
The court heard one of the victims, who has since died of natural causes, made a complaint about Daniell's touching but he denied it and it was not acted on.
Her mother said in a statement to the court "no words" could describe "how devastating this is on top of having lost our daughter".
She said: "She felt trapped in the unit with a person in authority preying on her".
'Predator' carer jailed for sex acts with girls
One of the abused teenagers at the psychiatric unit in Devon complained, but it was never acted on.
www.bbc.com
Do these (No doubt erudite) books explain 1) why incarcerating criminals (prisons) is worse than incarcerating non-criminals, and 2) without prisons, where should be done with criminals like this man ?
He admitted 21 offences and was jailed for 11 years.
The court heard one of the victims, who has since died of natural causes, made a complaint about Daniell's touching but he denied it and it was not acted on.
Her mother said in a statement to the court "no words" could describe "how devastating this is on top of having lost our daughter".
She said: "She felt trapped in the unit with a person in authority preying on her".
'Predator' carer jailed for sex acts with girls
One of the abused teenagers at the psychiatric unit in Devon complained, but it was never acted on.www.bbc.com
that is more of a case of social services being broken than prison though.
He should have been fired and kept away from vulnerable people before he got to do that.
having proved himself to be a very ill and dangerous guy, he should be put in a hospital or rehab or something.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
He was ill and needs rehab
Disgusting. Seems to me that mental health institutions are part of the carceral system? People put in cages and medicated.Do these (No doubt erudite) books explain 1) why incarcerating criminals (prisons) is worse than incarcerating non-criminals,
He admitted 21 offences and was jailed for 11 years.
The court heard one of the victims, who has since died of natural causes, made a complaint about Daniell's touching but he denied it and it was not acted on.
Her mother said in a statement to the court "no words" could describe "how devastating this is on top of having lost our daughter".
She said: "She felt trapped in the unit with a person in authority preying on her".
'Predator' carer jailed for sex acts with girls
One of the abused teenagers at the psychiatric unit in Devon complained, but it was never acted on.www.bbc.com
That he was able to get into a position of authority shows how rotten the whole system is and that they need to be abolished too.
I don't know
A secure facility yes
Your argument has the implication that putting him in prison and him being abused is some kind of solution. If he goes to prison he still costs money, he is going to get worse because he will be beaten and abused and will link up with other mentally ill people, and he will be let out at some point a much worse person than what he went in as
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Wheelie bin murder trial: Man accused of 'BRUTAL, FRENZIED' claw hammer attack
A VULNERABLE woman was brutally battered to death with a claw hammer in a frenzied attack, a court heard.
Gramsci
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Wondering if any Urbs can recommend me some books that set out a good background on this and alternatives?
I did read this recently.
The End of Policing
The massive uprising following the police killing of George Floyd in the summer of 2020--by some estimates the largest protests in US history--thrust the argument to defund the police to the forefront of international politics. It also made The End of Policing a bestseller and Alex Vitale, its...
www.versobooks.com
It is about policing in general ( with focus on USA). Includes the prison system in it. Argues that a lot of police/ prison system is about social control of the working class / Black people. Who end up in prison. So looks at community alternatives. Shifting the large amount of money spent ( in USA) on prison system to dealling with the economic issues that lead people to crime.
I did get the book as free E Book from Verso. Every now and again they give free E books.
See its is now under four pounds as an E book.
Fozzie Bear
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Not a book but this podcast is pretty great.
novaramedia.com
(Yes even though it’s on Novara)
The Lockdown | Novara Media
The Lockdown is a show all about prisons and the criminal justice system in Britain. Hosts Oonagh Ryder and Sam Swann explore the role the criminal justice system plays in creating and perpetuating many of the problems the left is fighting today. With the help of expert guests, Oonagh and Sam...
novaramedia.com
(Yes even though it’s on Novara)
Gramsci
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Also i watched this interivew with Vitale on his book End of Policing on Novara a while back. Have not watched the second one on this link.
Gramsci
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Not a book but this podcast is pretty great.
The Lockdown | Novara Media
The Lockdown is a show all about prisons and the criminal justice system in Britain. Hosts Oonagh Ryder and Sam Swann explore the role the criminal justice system plays in creating and perpetuating many of the problems the left is fighting today. With the help of expert guests, Oonagh and Sam...
(Yes even though it’s on Novara)
I started to listen to Novara media over lockdown. I have found some interesting stuff on it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Not a book but this podcast is pretty great.
The Lockdown | Novara Media
The Lockdown is a show all about prisons and the criminal justice system in Britain. Hosts Oonagh Ryder and Sam Swann explore the role the criminal justice system plays in creating and perpetuating many of the problems the left is fighting today. With the help of expert guests, Oonagh and Sam...
(Yes even though it’s on Novara)
Thanks for this. Some of these look very interesting.
Fozzie Bear
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It’s ok if you avoid the loudest people on there...
ska invita
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Related: this new one is very good in scope - firmly putting policing within the context of an ever more desperate capitalism to extract profit which it can only do with wide ranging threat of violence via policing
www.plutobooks.com
The Global Police State
As the world becomes ever more unequal, people become ever more 'disposable'. Today, governments systematically exclude sections of their populations from so...
www.plutobooks.com
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Some people need to be kept secure the wheelie bin murderer is a pathetic wretch who could fight is way out of a wet paper bag and probably beat a cabbage in a battle of wits. Even so he did kill a woman with a hammer for some moronic reason. Still thinks he's going to get away with it 
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ska invita
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Some people need to be kept secure the wheelie bin murderer is a pathetic wretch who could fight is way out of a wet paper bag and probably beat a cabbage in a battle of wits. Even so he did kill a woman with a hammer for some moronic reason. Still thinks he's going to get away with it
My impression of prison abolitionism is not to start with "ah but what about those few people who really need locking up", but at the other end of the scale and reducing/abolishing from that end. When we end up with that tiny percentage of real wronguns we can revisit it then
ska invita
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I did three years as a volunteer on a community restorative justice with young offenders project, where victims meet their offender. Youd be surprised what people want, or how peoples attitudes can be changed. Its all about breaking the viscious circle...after years of the circle spinning faster and faster its hard to see punishment as anything but common sense...abolitionism turns the whole things upside down and trys to get it spinning the other way, virtuosl-circle-y.
Worth dipping in to some of this likefish, podcast or books, especially so consdiering this has been such a big part of your life. Ive only dipped myself, im not a good advocate for it
ska invita
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This is newish too
www.akpress.org
Classic Writings in Anarchist Criminology
<p>Anarchists identified the sources of social problems in social structures and relations of inequality and recognized that the institutions preferred by mainstream criminologists as would-be solutions to social problems were actually the causes or enablers of those harms in the first place.</p>
like all the worlds problems the solutions are known - too many cunts lined up in the wayThe unfortunate problem is the prison service knows this stuff. The home office civil servants do as well.
Then they get Pritti Patel prison works and have 20000 job cuts
Ministers listen to Tabloids and the latest shocking crime.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I imagine that most young offenders are more likely to be receptive to the notion of learning the errors of their ways than most. But that's just one type of criminal. It seems unlikely to me that those who committed crimes for political reasons and/or those who have Cluster B personality disorders would be helped much. Having those types meet up with their victims seems like it would just be a bad idea all round.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Does prison abolition mean reducing the use of prisons?
Shechemite
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BPD (a cluster B dx) is mostly given to women, very often as a means of blaming them for their trauma and of denying them healthcare.
not sure why some young scrote would make a better candidate for RJ then they would
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