Political Correctness

[nino_savatte]

An example of right wing PC would be the Republican Party in the US accusing the Dems of being "sexist" when they ask questions about Sarah Palin's suitability for office. Odd that. Odd how the Repubs and all right-thinking types hate political correctness but are the first to cry foul when they think they're being 'wronged'.

 

[nino_savatte]

Here's a selection from http://www.capc.co.uk/, which is supported by Anne Widdecombe. Are you a fan of Widdecombe's, fela or are you going to tell me that you've "never heard of her"?

I am an Englishman and proud of both England's and Great Britain's achievements as a nation. We have never been perfect but we have always striven to better ourselves as a country and our reputation is typically pretty good (except maybe for football hooligans), however since political correctness crept up on us (laughable issues at first) and taken a foothold (nowadays it's getting serious) I feel that I am discriminated against (both racially and sexually) all in the name of political correctness. I feel I have to perpetually think very carefully before I speak so as not to offend anyone. If I was looking for a job in the public sector I know that if I am up against someone who looks different to me or is female I probably don't stand a chance even if I am the better suited candidate with more experience or qualifications. That's silent, unrecognised, accepted and legalised discrimination. Could it be any worse?

We are a nation built on tradition. It defines us. Why should we give it all up? I don't want to give up any of our traditions and don't see why they would be deemed offensive to others. And if they are then they should just live with it. But I suspect virtually nobody does find them offensive or at least didn't until some do-gooder suggested they might be. I don't have an issue with other cultures celebrating theirs but this oppression is making me feel like an alien in my own country.

This last quote is quite revealing. Notice how it opens with the word "tradition", you know what's coming next. Who is the writer referring to?

 

[nino_savatte]

The phrase "Political correctness gone mad" is a fig leaf to conceal a range of hidden and not-so-hidden discourses about ethnicity, gender and sexuality. There is also a concomitant desire to roll back the clock to a time when calling a black or Asian person a "darkie" was acceptable and treating women as the inferior sex was the norm.

You missed this, fela...or is it the case that you would support a return to a time when negative ethnic and gender stereotypes formed the bedrock of British comedy?

 

[fela fan]

The only people shutting down thinking are those on the right who crap on about "PC".

I think you ought to realise that the validity of this comment of yours is seriously open to question.

I would think if you actually want to use the terms left and right to describe who is PC, then both kinds of people would provide PC people.

It's not really a left or right issue, except perhaps in your mind. I think anybody is capable of PC. And since i believe i'm correct in stating that PC was born on the campuses of californian universities, then it may well have origins from the left more than the right.

 

[nino_savatte]

Jesus god yes. And i don't think that calling such comments as 'irrelevant' actually sums up the context correctly.

Political correctness is a method of banning language, apparently based on not affecting people's apparent sensitivities.

The problem with it is that the thinking behind such racist sexist comments does not disappear. So you get a shutdown of language attempted by the PC people, whoever they may be and they're often those with power, yet the desired outcome gets worse if anything.

Another post full of insight and rational analysis. So what you're saying here is that it is acceptable for some people to be called "darkies" or "bum bandits" because you think that to do otherwise would be to "shut down language"? Who are these "people in power" who defend and sanctify PC?

How many people do you refer to using antiquated terminology?

 

[fela fan]

You missed this, fela...or is it the case that you would support a return to a time when negative ethnic and gender stereotypes formed the bedrock of British comedy?

What you ought to more accurately say is not that i 'missed' it, but rather i didn't reply to you on it.

But in your mind either i missed it, and if i happen to not actually have missed it, then you have decided that i want a return to negative ethnic and gender stereotypes in british comedy.

Amazing. Is this not called tautology?

In any case, why are you relating the issue to britain? It's in evidence in many other countries, and in fact emanated from the US.

 

[nino_savatte]

I think you ought to realise that the validity of this comment of yours is seriously open to question.

I would think if you actually want to use the terms left and right to describe who is PC, then both kinds of people would provide PC people.

It's not really a left or right issue, except perhaps in your mind. I think anybody is capable of PC. And since i believe i'm correct in stating that PC was born on the campuses of californian universities, then it may well have origins from the left more than the right.

You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about and your opening sentence is proof.

Then, in your last paragraph, you come up with a fudge to cover your tracks. Cute but no cigar. Besides, this phrase "p9olitically correct" was invented by the US right to silence/denigrate their critics on the left. I guess you missed that one in favour of pursuing the rightinst line that it "was born on the campuses of californian universities".

 

[fela fan]

Here's a selection from http://www.capc.co.uk/, which is supported by Anne Widdecombe. Are you a fan of Widdecombe's, fela or are you going to tell me that you've "never heard of her"?

So, all you're doing is perpetuating the fact that you have PC related to right wing people, and nobody else is capable of being PC.

Yes i've heard of her. She inadvertently led the labour government into making possession of cannabis a lesser offence. I loved that at the time.

Apart from that i don't recall anything good or useful about her. Just a stupid politican, irregardless of whether she was/is right or left or whatever other label you want to pigeonhole people into.

 

[nino_savatte]

What you ought to more accurately say is not that i 'missed' it, but rather i didn't reply to you on it.

But in your mind either i missed it, and if i happen to not actually have missed it, then you have decided that i want a return to negative ethnic and gender stereotypes in british comedy.

Amazing. Is this not called tautology?

In any case, why are you relating the issue to britain? It's in evidence in many other countries, and in fact emanated from the US.

What the fuck are you talking about? Please try and stay focussed.

 

[fela fan]

You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about and your opening sentence is proof.

Then, in your last paragraph, you come up with a fudge to cover your tracks. Cute but no cigar. Besides, this phrase "p9olitically correct" was invented by the US right to silence/denigrate their critics on the left. I guess you missed that one in favour of pursuing the rightinst line that it "was born on the campuses of californian universities".

You're sounding just like a politician. All those fancy fixed phrases you're using. You're succumbing to PC yourself just right now. Are you on the right of politics?

And you're right about one thing, i don't have any clues about what i'm talking about. I don't need clues to solve what i already know. Clues are only required when looking for answers.

 

[nino_savatte]

So, all you're doing is perpetuating the fact that you have PC related to right wing people, and nobody else is capable of being PC.

In a desperate attempt to extricate yourself from the discursive mess that you made for yourself, you throw me this?

 

[nino_savatte]

You're sounding just like a politician. All those fancy fixed phrases you're using. You're succumbing to PC yourself just right now. Are you on the right of politics?

And you're right about one thing, i don't have any clues about what i'm talking about. I don't need clues to solve what i already know. Clues are only required when looking for answers.

That's right, be evasive. You can't deal with the points that have been raised so you accuse me of being "right wing"?

What drugs are you on, fela? Because I want to know how to avoid them.

 

[fela fan]

What the fuck are you talking about? Please try and stay focussed.

ha ha.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes indeed, he wriggles again.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

I;ve just heard a trailer on Radio4 for a prog thats on tomorrow at 9.00am called PC RIP?

Clive Anderson is presenting, and I'm sure the list of contributors included Stewart Lee and Jim Davidson. I first thought it would be some kind of panel discussion, but now I'm guessing it's going to be clips etc. Still, worth a listen I reckon.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I;ve just heard a trailer on Radio4 for a prog thats on tomorrow at 9.00am called PC RIP?

Clive Anderson is presenting, and I'm sure the list of contributors included Stewart Lee and Jim Davidson. I first thought it would be some kind of panel discussion, but now I'm guessing it's going to be clips etc. Still, worth a listen I reckon.

I profoundly disagree with your last sentence. They've been trailing it all weekend and to me it sounds appalling, like some extended edition of the Moral Maze.