Paula_G
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Why should ASPIRE be separated from the club? You do realise that in order to compete in competitions like the FA Youth Cup the Academy has to be affiliated with a Senior Club?
Peter Crouch joins the Dulwich Hamlet board
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Does the ownership of the club reflect the ownership of the academy? If it does not what do we get out of the relationship.
Other than a manager we can’t sack without losing the academy.
tonysingh
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Diplomatic and not at all shit stirring as always. I love you.
I love you too. Though I’ve seen some of your pet projects lately. I do not. Repeat do not want to be fed to any. Just knock me out and bury me please.
Moroccan Sunset
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Absolutely, 100% - I was only 7 when he played for us but even I could tell he was exceptional. Still vividly remember him, Kevin Smith, Dave Stevens (slim version) and Danny Carroll - particularly the buzz on the match days that immediately followed when we'd successfully nabbed the latter from Bromley!
McEwen was brilliant - real shame he didn't get more of a crack in the professional game and double shame that he seems to have dropped off the radar. If there is one ex Dulwich player that I'd like to see an interview from, it'd be him, without a doubt. Made numerous attempts to find him when I was at uni, but to no avail. ☹
tonysingh
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You were 7 when Crouch played for us? Seven?
Fuck, i feel even more like a dinosaur now.
Mation
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Pink Panther
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He'll be in his forties now of course. He had a season at QPR after leaving Spurs but didn't make much impression there either. Then he resurfaced at Hertford Town under our former reserves manager Brian Owen. I believe he had a good job in The City.
Moroccan Sunset
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And that's where the trail runs cold. Last I heard he'd left The City, but no one seems to know where. Shame, really.
New Dulwich Hamlet director Peter Crouch sends warning over 'bleak future' | ITV News
Crouch was appointed to Dulwich Hamlet’s board this week, but warned the club is facing serious financial problems | ITV News London
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We are going bankrupt again I see. No doubt this will result in the manager resigning, players turning out for free due to a non-existent wage budget and a return to the Isthmian league.
Or Not?
Well the last one might happens if Gavin stays in charge and the PR fails to get him a move to run the youth setup at a league club.
Dulwich Hamlet have never gone bankrupt. It would have done but for the likes of Pa Wilson and the Goodliffe's paying the bills however this remains the club Pa founded in 1893. It's changed legal status to the shareholder owned club you see today but has not gone bankrupt.New Dulwich Hamlet director Peter Crouch sends warning over 'bleak future' | ITV News
Crouch was appointed to Dulwich Hamlet’s board this week, but warned the club is facing serious financial problems | ITV News London
We are going bankrupt again I see. No doubt this will result in the manager resigning, players turning out for free due to a non-existent wage budget and a return to the Isthmian league.
Or Not?
Well the last one might happens if Gavin stays in charge and the PR fails to get him a move to run the youth setup at a league club.
Thanks for that. How you getting on tracking down those rogue MPs?
Cyclodunc
Where's the slam tent, mate?
Were you studying to be a private investigator?
As someone who lives in a Tory safe seat and who e-mailed my MP, a minister, asking how he could justify Hancock telling my step children they can't hugh their partners when Matt was banning it, I stand by my call.
Paula_G
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Bringing an Academy team that is affiliated to the club rather than part of it is simply cost effective… There are many other clubs at this level who have a similar set up. Things may well change when the new ground is complete enabling the ASPIRE Academy to operate from Champion Hill even if Gavin is no longer manager, after all a number of the Academy coaches are former Dulwich players who have moved on…
Perhaps you would like to comment on my other thread.
Dulwich Hamlet vs ASPIRE
In this thread we discuss the relationship between ASPIRE and Dulwich Hamlet FC. Especially as we have a new director who has stated that the future “looks bleak”. We have a manager that also runs an academy that is linked to the club in some way I believe. Anyone wish to comment on how this...
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As a member of the football committee prior to the current ownership you may have some insight.
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hiraethified
Disappointed to see Crouch doing betting adverts on TV.
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tonysingh
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Disappointed to see Crouch doing betting adverts on TV.
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The pandemic has triggered a British online gambling crisis
Stuck at home during the pandemic, problem gamblers have been hounded by betting ads
Experts fear a rise in online gambling harm as UK industry awaits crucial review
Since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, gambling companies in Britain have looked to shore up and expand their online offerings.
I liked that we stood against the insidious evil of the gambling industry. Really quite disappointed by this brave new world that lies ahead of us now.
Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
Abhor Paddy Power more than most mainly due to their hideously transphobic adverts of the past however this has to be a matter for Peter’s own conscience. Perhaps this documentary gives the club the chance to emphasise our values in relation to betting a wider airing. I’m prepared to see the positive slant to this. After all hands up anyone that walked out of the Carlisle United FA Cup game because of the 888 Sport adverts and demanded that in future Dulwich Hamlet did not enter the FA Cup to avoid a similar association with betting companies? 
PartisanDulwich
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We try to be an ethical club - we will always have challenges
nobody said it was easy
It's what we can do to make lives better - under present system always going to be compromises (with the exception of equality issues - where there can be no compromise)
just as with the "bleak future" spin for Crouch announcement - he has his agenda and his objectives - many of which will benefit the Club - some may be a distraction
However, do think we need to work out a line on the Sun (the Club official line ie will not issue or respond to requests from the Sun- hope that's still the case) obviously it's up to individuals what approach they personally take
regarding betting, our line surely remains where possible the club will avoid betting advertising or machines on site
Its going to be a roller coaster - sure the Clubs officers have already explored many of our concerns and I am sure our fans wont be shy on coming forward should that not be the case - but hopeful this is a partnership that can work
just think we need to remain measured and constructive in our views (as always)
nobody said it was easy
It's what we can do to make lives better - under present system always going to be compromises (with the exception of equality issues - where there can be no compromise)
just as with the "bleak future" spin for Crouch announcement - he has his agenda and his objectives - many of which will benefit the Club - some may be a distraction
However, do think we need to work out a line on the Sun (the Club official line ie will not issue or respond to requests from the Sun- hope that's still the case) obviously it's up to individuals what approach they personally take
regarding betting, our line surely remains where possible the club will avoid betting advertising or machines on site
Its going to be a roller coaster - sure the Clubs officers have already explored many of our concerns and I am sure our fans wont be shy on coming forward should that not be the case - but hopeful this is a partnership that can work
just think we need to remain measured and constructive in our views (as always)
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Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
Glad to hear positive opinions expressed. Know from looking at individual social media profiles we have fans who work for a number of newspapers (red top & broadsheet), including the S*n, the DM & others happy to demonise people as messengers of the government so-called “culture wars”. FFS even media “legend in his own lunchtime” & proto-fascist Martin Daubney has been known to attend games. Okay a little extreme but should we start considering a purge of them too? After that we could look at freelance advertising work our players do which may or may not include betting companies. I believe it has in the past? The whole point is we can’t control everything but when we have the opportunity to bring Dulwich’s ethos to a wider audience we should take that opportunity..
sleaterkinney
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Should we? I don't think that's a given tbh, just like I don't think it's automatically a benefit to continually bring more people in.
It's fine to just be a non-league football club isn't it rather than some sort of proselytising organisation.
sleaterkinney
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Also, I'm not sure we need a wider audience, we've been all over the guardian, bbc etc. The dog on the street knows about Dulwich. We have an absurdly large profile for a non league club.
Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
I like to compare it to the company I work for… The company made its debut on the Sunday Times "Fast Track 100" in 2005, and in 2007 they appeared 16th on their "Profit Track 100" list. However the company failed to innovate, got left behind by new technology & more aggressive competitors the entire staff fitted in one beach hut booth at the pub. Pretty much the same happened to Dulwich from one of leading amateur clubs in the country to rattling around in a half-condemned death trap of a stadium with a few hundred (if lucky) scattered amongst the dereliction. We cannot be complacent that we have “done enough”..
Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
How much control do we have over what any officer of the club or player does outside the confines of their role at Dulwich Hamlet? Wouldn’t surprise me that some might have problems that I work in the Adult Entertainment Industry…
AveryDave
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Is there a code of conduct or similar for officers or those undertaking official roles within the club? Recognise that the vast majority are giving their time freely, but if you're representing the club in an official capacity I'd imagine there are some rules or guidelines on what's okay and what's less okay?
The unfortunate timing of this gambling association with Crouch does feel like his first lesson to our struggling, under threat club in moving to a less bleak future is to leave your morals at the door.
AveryDave
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It's a huge jump to go from having no choice but to accept things pushed down on the club from above in the football hierarchy to actively and independently choosing to bring someone into the club.
Totally get that you're supporting this move and believe it's hugely positive, but in the first week of it being announced there's had to be a conversation with the other parties involved to make sure the way they communicate externally aligns with the club's values, and then a heralded association of our new Director with a major betting company.
Really hope these are teething troubles and not a sign of what's consistently to come.
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