Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion
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editor
hiraethified
PS You know, the only mobile phone manufacturer I can think of who's been slapped down by the ASA recently for dodgy adverts was Apple.
What's the 'past evidence' with Palm you're referring to?
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
Really, get over your Pre-conceptionsBreathe in.... and breathe out... just let that Palm thing go.... if it's not for you, iJog on....
. I already have 3 Palm devices and if I want a Pre I'll get one, thanks. And maybe you should take your own advice and stop the "oooh, nasty Apple have banned another app" posts on the iPhone thread. If it's not for you, Palm yourself off. Ah, but your posts are all about the company aren't they? Whereas mine, oh... that was about the company too. Still, your boards... you make the rules. I'll unsubscribe from this thread and look for unbiased Palm news/discussion somewhere where it's allowed.
The point went that way ---->
Tell me where I said their advert would be slapped down by the ASA?
I was joking about the evidence of their inability/strategy of not releasing a release date (until tomorrow, in the US, maybe).
Really, get over your Pre-conceptions
Ah, but your posts are all about the company aren't they? Whereas mine, oh... that was about the company too. Still, your boards... you make the rules. I'll unsubscribe from this thread and look for unbiased Palm news/discussion somewhere where it's allowed.
The point went that way ---->
Tell me where I said their advert would be slapped down by the ASA?
I was joking about the evidence of their inability/strategy of not releasing a release date (until tomorrow, in the US, maybe).
The ASA advert would be me.
But if they produced something like:
"Most anticipated phone of summer 2009" - Daily Mirror*.
Out TBC | £TBC | Palm
* Sample size not disclosed. Or the source. Or who we asked.
They would be slapped silly by the ASA...
editor
hiraethified
So you keep saying but I'm not sure why you think that. They would be accurately quoting the Daily Mirror and making no claims for themselves. Why should that be 'slapped down'?The ASA advert would be me.
But if they produced something like:
"Most anticipated phone of summer 2009" - Daily Mirror*.
Out TBC | £TBC | Palm
* Sample size not disclosed. Or the source. Or who we asked.
They would be slapped silly by the ASA...
Blimey. Lighten up fella. It's only banter!Really, get over your Pre-conceptions
On a general note, I'd day the way that Apple are banning apps and controlling the distribution is news because they're a hugely influential and successful company whose actions may have ramifications for all phone users.
Where they lead others are likely to follow, and I'm not keen on ending up with the phone manufacturers controlling all app development and distribution and banning programs on their own dodgy moralistic judgements, like another fucking Walmart.
Edit: but we've had all this out on the other thread about a zillion times so shall we keep this one to Palm stuff?
Because they would be quoting the survey conducted by ElectricPig and syndicated in the Daily Mirror rather than the Daily Mirror's own opinion. As mentioned the survey has very little data accompanying it...
(And the phrase "Most anticipated phone of summer" doesn't actually appear on http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/techno...alm-pre-beats-the-new-iphone-115875-21355236/ away...)
editor
hiraethified
No idea why you're so fascinated by this, but if the phrase appeared on the Daily Mirror's site under their news banner, then Palm would be at complete liberty to cite them as the source, because it appears as a Daily Mirror article. Btw, you are aware that many newspaper surveys aren't actually conducted by the newspaper staff themselves, aren't you?
Anyhow, back on topic, the New York Times is reporting thst the Pre will be released in the first week of June.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
300 dollars (with the ability to gain 100 back) and two year contract? Two years is a very long time...but at least the date's out now! Roll on news of the UK/Europe launch...
editor
hiraethified
America's quite different to the UK - phones regularly come with cashback offers (maybe this is to stop people buying up loads of them?) and their contracts are generally hideously long - and expensive - compared to the UK.
My mates in the States can't believe how often we change phones over here, or how many phones we can get for free!
I'm really looking forward to reading some detailed reviews and seeing if the phone lives up to the hype.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I was wondering why the cashback thing, stopping people from buying multiples and selling on makes sense. Yup, looking forward to the proper reviews also. And a UK launch date!
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Thats an unusual launch date, its the Saturday before the Apple keynote.
I'm not so sure that is the best time but will ensure that it gets compared to the new iPhone, v3 of the iPhone and v3 iPhone applications. I can imagine that Apple have at least one v3 Application they want to share, Sat Nav perhaps.
I'm not so sure that is the best time but will ensure that it gets compared to the new iPhone, v3 of the iPhone and v3 iPhone applications. I can imagine that Apple have at least one v3 Application they want to share, Sat Nav perhaps.
editor
hiraethified
Whatever kind of phone the Pre turns out to be, you can't knock the company's ability to drum up precious publicity.
They've created a real buzz about this phone, and I'm guessing they'll have a few more surprises up their sleeve when the phone launches.
Either way, it's good to see at least one company with the imagination to try and take on the mighty iPhone and introduce some real innovation of their own.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
There isn't enough in the package to make me want to switch, Synergy, multi-tasking and perhaps less control freak attitude although how much is yet to be seen. This can be as much carrier driven as it is Palm or Apple, so might be hard to judge. Keyboard is of little interest to me.
8Gb really isn't enough for me, I'll be surprised if Palm don't rectify this fairly soon.
For people that don't own a next gen smart phone it finally gives a proper choice.
Looking at the specs, I note that its specifically ruling out proper SatNav in their software as its not got the maps on board. Like the iPhone, relying on a data connection. In the US that can be a problem because their GSM coverage isn't complete. So when you are most likely to need it, its not going to work. Looks like proper directional sat nav when its working, from the images on Palms site.
8Gb really isn't enough for me, I'll be surprised if Palm don't rectify this fairly soon.
For people that don't own a next gen smart phone it finally gives a proper choice.
Looking at the specs, I note that its specifically ruling out proper SatNav in their software as its not got the maps on board. Like the iPhone, relying on a data connection. In the US that can be a problem because their GSM coverage isn't complete. So when you are most likely to need it, its not going to work. Looks like proper directional sat nav when its working, from the images on Palms site.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
In a sense it's a reasonable date. They can't do it post Apple keynote as they'll get buried by a superior PR machine. They have to get it out before the end of June to keep to their word. This gives them a pre-emptive strike, although how powerful remains to be seen...
editor
hiraethified
There's no smartphone that's going to satisfy anyone, but the Pre certainly offers a different focus than the iPhone.
I can't bear phones without proper keyboards and I hate Apple's power-mad, censoring control-freak approach so Android or Palm handsets appeal more to me. I don't need 45,000 songs on my phone, neither do I want to play zillions of games.
However, based on what I've seen, Palm's synergy concept, hardware keyboard, old app support and superb multitasking interface look right up my boulevard, so it's going right on my shortlist. I dare say there's quite a few folks who also find it equally appealing and will prefer it to the iPhone.
editor
hiraethified
Not entirely sure what you mean there.
Anyway, the off-contract price for the Pre has been set at $549, which isn't too bad for a 'at launch' price.
Discussion here:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/19/palm-pre-to-run-549-off-contract/
vs iPhone pricing feature:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10244910-1.html
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
$549 could mean £399 unlocked...with a 20 quid sim only deal that's a good deal...
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Off contract, 549 makes it way cheaper than the iPhone. Fuck if the iPhone was that price, I'd have bought it out of contract. 350 quid, say 399 with vat. Bargain. Just you'll not be able to get one till the GSM version arrives, its EVDO rev A. Sprint only.
You don't know what sort of control Palm are going to exercise on their app store. Given that most applications get onto the app store these days, its a bit premature to say Palm will be better. I think everyone overblows Apples control, its there yes, but with 25000+ application, some really rather good ones, the facts aren't backing that argument up too well.
Games and apps take up nothing memory wise, its just media that the Gbs are used. Ive got more than 8Gb of media on my phone, its primary use is an iPod. Thats why I got it, I can't see the point of going to a phone who's ethos was making these features accessable and then not using them?
There is no primary feature on my iPhone I don't really use apart from the camera, and thats only because its so appallingly shit.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
What worries me is how we follow the states. It wasn't that long ago that I was able to get the latest smartphone on a 12 month contract with some heavy bargaining. I know the UK market is very different to the US, but now you need to sign up to an 18 month to get the same kind of leverage and the best deals are on 24 month contacts. Sadly I can see us going that way.
editor
hiraethified
Apple maintains complete and total control over what can and can not be installed on their handsets, and actively bars apps on moral grounds.
Palm can not because you can download whatever apps you like from anywhere you like*.
(*although I imagine the networks might try to block certain apps like VoIP);
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
People are lemmings. Its simple. Buy out of contract and tell the operators to go fuck their 18 month contract. If that option was available to me with the iPhone I would have done.
If nobody wants 18 month contracts, operators will stop offering them. Its to lower their churn rates and they did it by making the deals sweeter and then hauling in the 12 month ones and then lessing the deals for 18 months having got people use to 18 months.
Fortunately nobody bought the 1st iPhone so they were forced to make the 35 quid deal much better value. I like the wifi extra feature.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
KE said that launching before the iphone announcement was a pre-emptive strike. a few days doesn't seem pre-emptive enough to me.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If I'd had the cash I would have bought my phone outright, but its so much cheaper to buy them through contract. It's about another £10 a month over sim only deal on the same tariff, so works out at £180 vs £550.
editor
hiraethified
The new iPhone won't be released until July 17th, according to the latest rumours.
http://www.techdigest.tv/2009/05/rumour_new_ipho.html
editor
hiraethified
That's not confirmed. Word is that both Vodafone and O2 are battling over the rights of what might be a big selling handset.
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