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Palm is back with an ‘ultra-mobile’ smartphone

I miss the days of those tiny nokia phones which were tiny, cheap and had amazing battery life.

If they can harness enough nostalgia for ultra portable devices again, I think they could be onto a winner.
 
This isn't supposed to replace your main phone though: it's the mini-me version of your handset that you take out for a jog or for a night on the piss.

Indeed. In a world where you might not want to carry around a £1k+ phone all the time. But you still need a phone, or even just want a second phone- this is kind of an ideal solution

This is the main issue I have with the relaunch of the 3310. I'd get one tomorrow as a second phone, but it just lacks a few few core smartphone features. Otherwise it'd be perfect for this. This Palm device isn't perfect either, but it has the right idea at least.
 
Indeed. In a world where you might not want to carry around a £1k+ phone all the time. But you still need a phone, or even just want a second phone- this is kind of an ideal solution

This is the main issue I have with the relaunch of the 3310. I'd get one tomorrow as a second phone, but it just lacks a few few core smartphone features. Otherwise it'd be perfect for this. This Palm device isn't perfect either, but it has the right idea at least.
It's too expensive though. If it were a hundred quid I'd be tempted.
 
It's too expensive though. If it were a hundred quid I'd be tempted.

You're right. This is where Nokia were best placed to make a really decent basic phone. Their current 3G 3310 was selling as low as £19.99 recently. I'm sure for a few extra, they could've incorporated e.g. whatsapp, fb messenger, maps, and email. i.e. the basics. I'd have bought that.
 
Looks a lot like my old orange san francisco, which seems tiny to me now, but was kind of normal size back then. I loved that little phone, once I'd cleared off all the orange bloatware. I'd definitely go for something like that again as a second phone, but it'd have to be less than £50.
 
I have a fairly chunky smart phone now - albeit one that cost less than this Palm thing. I took it out on the mandy last Saturday with no issues as I've done loads of times, same with gigs and I wouldn't think twice about taking it out to the pub. I'll even strap it to me to track my run (under my shirt so I don't look like a bellend) and it causes me no bother. I might think twice if I had a £1000+ iPhone but it's not the size that's an issue but the cost.

But the issue with a 'backup phone' is that you still need to piss around with changing the sim over, then your whatsapp needs to be reassigned to the new handset and all sorts of other shit isn't going to be properly set up/logged in.
 
Case in point, I was in the US a couple of weeks ago.

I took my UK work phone (Vodafone) which promtly told me that as I'm in Rest Of World (Zone 1), I'd be charged a hefty £3 per megabyte (!) while I'm there. Given that I easily go through a gigabyte a day, I decided to instead nip down to TMobile and buy a data sim which gave me 6GB of LTE speed data for $25.

The only downside is I couldn't use my UK number. I didn't mind too much because anyone important would've just whatsapp'd me or facetime or something. But still, if I had the function to accept calls from my home number via a data connection, then I'd have had everything I needed for a fraction of the ridic cost of using my home number abroad.
 
It just says connected to the internet somehow. It doesn't mention Wifi. So as long as you've got 3G at least it should be fine.
The key point here is that this new feature is available at no extra cost, and works via Wi-Fi calling.

You wouldn't be getting 3G on a second phone without a second SIM (which would have a different number) anyway.
 
You wouldn't be getting 3G on a second phone without a second SIM (which would have a different number) anyway.

The point is you could have any old sim, even just a data only sim (or no sim at all if on WiFi) but stay connected with one number for all.
 
The point is you could have any old sim, even just a data only sim (or no sim at all if on WiFi) but stay connected with one number for all.
So:
Only works if connected to WiFi
Or
Might work if you pay for a data bundle on a second SIM

I think Salem's idea of just moving the SIM to the secondary handset is more sensible.
 
So:
Only works if connected to WiFi
Or
Might work if you pay for a data bundle on a second SIM

I think Salem's idea of just moving the SIM to the secondary handset is more sensible.

Sure everyone’s needs are different.

In the case above where I was in the US for a week and swapped my UK SIM for a local data only SIM to save literally hundreds of pounds on stupid roaming fees (and get better data speed as it's well known roaming speeds are throttled), this would've been ideal. It's also pretty good if you're in an area with dodgy phone reception so you can route calls through Wifi (though Wifi calling is nothing new, I do this on Vodafone already), but it allows you to bring other devices into the frame, including second phones, tablets, etc.
 
This guy is warming to the idea:

Which leads us back to the Palm phone. It’s not the first phone to try to suss out a happy medium between being hyper-connected and disconnected, but it may be the most promising. It’s not cutting you off from your digital self so much as it’s making it less alluring: apps run smaller and slower, it’s designed so notifications are easily muted, and it even lacks volume buttons. Using it isn’t seamless, but that’s the point.

The best feature of the Palm, though, might be turning the act of leaving the house with your phone into a decision. Do you need your main phone, with its huge screen and serious power, or would you rather take its mini-me, something that keeps you connected but doesn’t tempt you with digital delights. Just forcing you to think about it feels like progress.

Can tech save us from tech? I think it can. Because quitting anything cold turkey almost never works. Because I don’t see how you can look at how 2018 compares to 1918 and not think technology, for all its flaws, is a net benefit to society. And because smartphones — or whatever you want to call these little computers we carry around with us — isn’t something most of us can just divorce from. Ironically, being open to multiple partners might be the best way to save that relationship.

Why the Palm phone might be the perfect tech product for 2018
 
Sure everyone’s needs are different.

In the case above where I was in the US for a week and swapped my UK SIM for a local data only SIM to save literally hundreds of pounds on stupid roaming fees (and get better data speed as it's well known roaming speeds are throttled), this would've been ideal. It's also pretty good if you're in an area with dodgy phone reception so you can route calls through Wifi (though Wifi calling is nothing new, I do this on Vodafone already), but it allows you to bring other devices into the frame, including second phones, tablets, etc.

This is what I have to do, where I live has no mobile service from any provider so I need to use WiFi calling at home. Both 3 (who I use now) and Orange/EE (last provider) block WiFi calling when abroad, I had to use a VPN on Orange and as for 3, they allow free calls back to the UK from most countries anyway. I also provision similar solutions for clients who need their employees to be reachable in parts of their buildings (basements etc.) where there is no mobile reception. But those clients will normally have their WiFi connected to a leased line or at least a dedicated DSL only for voice traffic, and my broadband is decent at home too. VoIP technology works, if your connection is good quality. People thinking they'll be able to make reliable calls on their second device over your average UK WiFi hotspot in a pub might be disappointed.

It's not even like it's impossible to implement a multiple SIM/one number system (ie. not bodging it by relying on VoIP) because plenty of providers across Europe (and presumably elsewhere) do offer this, it just seems no UK provider wants to.
 
It's not even like it's impossible to implement a multiple SIM/one number system (ie. not bodging it by relying on VoIP) because plenty of providers across Europe (and presumably elsewhere) do offer this, it just seems no UK provider wants to.

I do have some sympathy with this. Not least because EE do offer a dedicated SIM for the Apple Watch which does exactly that, so why not just extend it to phones etc.

And as you say, other networks can do it, so why can't they just offer it too.

I'd rather have both options available anyway. For those who don't want to be locked to one provider only to make this happen. i.e. the above option would be no good if you wanted to operate two devices across separate networks for whatever reason.
 
Palm Phone hands-on: The supplemental smartphone

still a bit meh if you ask me - costs far too much too - I'd be more interested in being able to use my older, smaller smartphone in the same way via some nifty software and eSim clone thing - my old Moto E is sitting in the glove box as a forget-me-phone if one of us leaves our phone at home inadvertently - but - another number - another SIM etc - all that



and this look is a winner innit

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If they could sort out the single number eSIM thing - and the pricing - I would LOVE to take this thing out when I go out for the night rather than my pocket bulging Samsung.
 
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