OJ Simpson - Guilty on 12 counts of armed robbery

[Treacle Toes]

Do you, for instance, thnk those LA coppers were innocent of beating the shit out of that black fella all those years ago, seeing as they were found not guilty in the original trial?

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Was there video evidence of OJ killing his wife?

 

[yardbird]

Are those lyrics?

He didn't introduce himself, just smiled, which made me realise that I wasn't just gazing absent mindedly at some random bloke, thinking he was dressed smarter than your average Disneyland punter, but gazing into the abyss of an alleged murderer.

It was Halloween.

Jut selected bits from 'Sympathy for The Devil'
Rolling Stones.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So you have never ever doubted the outcome of a trial, and always take the veredict reached as the right one? Surely you are aware that there have been many miscarriages of justices throughout the years..

Yes I am. In the US, it's often been a black man being sent up for a crime he didn't commit.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Do you, for instance, thnk those LA coppers were innocent of beating the shit out of that black fella all those years ago, seeing as they were found not guilty in the original trial?.

I can't recall the specifics of what they were charged with, but given the fact that there was videotape of them hitting Rodney King, there's no doubt that they in fact were hitting him.

 

[T & P]

Was there video evidence of OJ killing his wife?

No but JC appeared to suggest the veredict reached was proof enough he was innocent. I was simply saying that juries do get it wrong sometimes and thus the outcome of a trial isn't necessarily the truth and the right result.

Again, it is perfectly possible that the evidence was planted (though IMO very unlikely), but even without any footage of Simpson killing his wife, the evidence was overwhelming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

No but JC appeared to suggest the veredict reached was proof enough he was innocent.l]

I said no such thing. An acquittal is indicated where there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the offence was committed.

That is a different thing entirely from saying there was 'proof enough that he was innocent'.

I wouldn't say such a naive and ill informed thing.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Again, it is perfectly possible that the evidence was planted (though IMO very unlikely), but even without any footage of Simpson killing his wife, the evidence was overwhelming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence

Yet the jury didn't think so.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Again, it is perfectly possible that the evidence was planted (though IMO very unlikely), but even without any footage of Simpson killing his wife, the evidence was overwhelming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence

"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit."

 

[Detroit City]

I still find it really weird that he's gone down for armed robbery. I mean, the idea that he might have killed his wife wasn't too bizarre, that's one of those crimes that goes across all social boundaries, but rich and famous celebrities aren't noted for stealing things at gunpoint. They have other ways to get money.

I think that Mr. Simpson believed that his own stuff was stolen and he was just trying to retrieve said items with his armed posse.

 

[T & P]

Yet the jury didn't think so.

There might have been a case for a bungled prosecution, in which case the jury might have been obliged not to convict. That doesn't mean that all the evidence didn't point out to Simpson having done it. It did.

 

[T & P]

"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit."

I thought it was the case that they didn't fit, and I remember the dramatic moment in which he tries on the glove and does not appear to fit. But then I saw this on the Wiki article:

"The gloves were proven to be Simpson's size. Although Simpson testified under oath that he did not own a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves, several media pictures emerged showing Simpson wearing the exact gloves."

So has the article got it wrong (not a Wiki first, for sure)? Or did the gloves fit after all?

 

[internetstalker]

How about a yellow one?

some of them are related to him tho!

 

[Treacle Toes]

There might have been a case for a bungled prosecution, in which case the jury might have been obliged not to convict. That doesn't mean that all the evidence didn't point out to Simpson having done it. It did.

You could be right. My point was about the lack of video evidence in this case which we had in the Rodney King case.

 

[Deareg]

So you have never ever doubted the outcome of a trial, and always take the veredict reached as the right one? Surely you are aware that there have been many miscarriages of justices throughout the years.

Do you, for instance, thnk those LA coppers were innocent of beating the shit out of that black fella all those years ago, seeing as they were found not guilty in the original trial?

All I'm asking is whether you are aware of the enormous amounts of evidence that suggested Simpson did it. The only rational way in which he could be innocent is that if every bit of it was fabricated and planted by cops. It is possible I guess, though in this case rather far fetched.

have you some examples of this overwhelming evidence, or the evidence used by his defense?

 

[T & P]

have you some examples of this overwhelming evidence, or the evidence used by his defense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence

It is possible it was planted. But if it wasn't planted, there can be no doubt whatsoever Simpson did it.

 

[Deareg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence

It is possible it was planted. But if it wasn't planted, there can be no doubt whatsoever Simpson did it.

From a reading of that page you linked, it does not appear to be as obvious as you suggest that he is guilty, and the conduct of the police when dealing with the forensic evidence seems to be at the very least clumsy, i didn't follow the trial at the time, that is why i asked you for examples of his defenses argument too

 

[T & P]

AFAIK the defence was centred around the main copper in charge of the investigation being a racist and not trustworthy of handling the evidence. There were (according to that Wiki list) a few instances of blood samples going missing so it is possible evidence was planted/fabricated.

The arguments for the prosecution are pretty damning- namely various DNA traces putting Simpson firmly at the scene of the murder and having traces both victims' blood about his person/vehicle/bedroom. As evidence alone (without concerns about the integrity of the investigators) it is as damning as any a jury is ever going to be presented with at a trial.

 

[Jonti]

The way I read it, there was the clear evidence that OJ did it, but the racist cops couldn't help themselves and fitted him up anyway. Thus allowing him to get off.

That's why OJ retains a certain regard. He escaped from a fitting up by racist cops.

 

[dlx1]

I think the lawyers should get award for acting.
sentence now sky

 

[DotCommunist]

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long long year.



Made dam sure that Pilot washed his hands and sealed his fate.

Pleased to meet you meet you - hope you get my name.
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game.

I have no sympathy.

Pilate. Pontius Pilate

 

[dlx1]

what with all the numbers what the total !!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

He can apparently serve 33 years. For a crime where someone briefly flashed a gun.

The prosecutors had asked for 18.

Yep: justice is blind.

 

[DotCommunist]

He can apparently serve 33 years. For a crime where someone briefly flashed a gun.

The prosecutors had asked for 18.

Yep: justice is blind.

there is no way on this green earth that OJ could have got a fair trial in the US.

At least half the jury probably already thought he'd got away with murder

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

there is no way on this green earth that OJ could have got a fair trial in the US.

At least half the jury probably already thought he'd got away with murder

Well imo, he didn't get one, and he didn't get a fair sentence.

 

[soulman]

Well imo, he didn't get one, and he didn't get a fair sentence.

He does seem to get himself in to these situations. Do you think there's a reason for that?

 

[Badgers]

Sorry but...........

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

 

[Y_I_Otter]

The best part was his teary mea culpa today. How hard-hearted does a sentencing judge have to be not to be moved by such a sincere outpouring of regret?

 

[Badgers]

He would have wiped away the tears if his hanky fitted

 

[yardbird]

Pilate. Pontius Pilate

Ta,
I didn't think it looked right

 

[T & P]

You're probably right Johnny about him not possibly getting a fair trial anywhere. But what is the answer then? Does the US justice system allow for judges to reach veredicts sometimes, or is it only a jury?

If the latter, should it mean that OJ Simpson (or indeed people of such high profile infamy) should be de facto exempt from prosecution in the US, regardless of what they might do? Since they couldn't possibly get a fair trial...