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i think his mikey suck up was his genuine manner of tryign to do the right thing like a man with fists of ham granted but it's a commone reaction to meeting people with disablities for the first time of interaction. It's a humanist response really to want to protect people, had she been playing along rather than being full of snide and spit (another danelle in the making here mark my words await) and added to which the ridicluious outragious homophobia and intollerence coming out of alexs mouth (backed up the previous night by silivas own homophobia) he's right to be defending him...

least we forget this was after the homophobic attack by the three of them the day before when mikey tired on the knickers...

then some comments were made about how it was wrong him dressing in womens clothing and how he was a freak how it wasn't normal and it was disgusting and all the usual latent homophobic comments which come out. not because he's gay persay but because he dresses in womens clothing and mario was brutally aware of that having seen it and been a darn sight more sober than the others the night before...

so i think he was right ham fisted or not to take a stand, steph alex and silvias comments the night before of which the kitchen incident was the next morning when they got up's continuation was fucking well out of order...
 
i missed the bit with the knickers and everything so i dunno what was said by whom, but i'm not too keen on alex and sylvia anyway.
 
Guruchelles said:
I was impressed by how brilliantly Lisa took it all. She really threw herself into making it look real. I was surprised that they guessed she was the girlfriend, although, saying that, I haven't watched any live feed.
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As Steph became more distant from Mario, he started spending more time with Lisa. They were having general conversations and trying to pretend not to know each other but it was pretty obvious to a couple of housemates.

Steph deserves to go for faffing about in the task, but I won't miss Mario if he gets the boot. I don't like the way he exploits Mikey's blindness to manipulate people. When there were doubts abut the wedding he switched the focus to the fact that Mikey hadn't been swimming for 20 years and tried to shame people into not spoiling the task. Watching the live feed now and he's holding a house meeting where instead of directly telling people to clean up after themselves he's asking them to "imagine what it's like for poor Mikey."

Fuck off Mario yer flash git, Mikey is a 33 year old man with a job and a brain.
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sparklefish said:
I didn't hear steph talking about mikey and the knickers. Was that on the live feed?
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yes...

all three of them for fooking ages were going on and on and on at him...

as i said another danelle type charchter who last year was the cheif insigator of the whole thing would bitch and be snide at everyone then let those who she'd discussed with take the fall by them being more obnoxious and offensive...
 
snackhead said:
I don't like the way he exploits Mikey's blindness to manipulate people. When there were doubts abut the wedding he switched the focus to the fact that Mikey hadn't been swimming for 20 years and tried to shame people into not spoiling the task. Watching the live feed now and he's holding a house meeting where instead of directly telling people to clean up after themselves he's asking them to "imagine what it's like for poor Mikey."
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I'm uncomfortable with this too. Seems he is making a meal of it if what snackhead said is true during the live feed. (I'm not watching them....bores me mostly)

Wanted Steph. out but.....it might be interesting getting rid of Mario. Lisa will miss him and maybe change for the better without him there and Steph. (imo) won't be able to resist slagging him off to people when he goes which could be interesting if/when Lisa gets to hear about it. :hmm:
 
I agree wholeheartedly with everything Garf has said. Mario might not have handled the comments about Mikey and food well that morning, but I don't believe there was malice there.

Steph is truly odious and really needs to go for her part in the task. Remember, it wasn't just the not sleeping in the bed with him that did it. She consistently made comments to Alex, Sylvia, Dennis et al about Mario annoying her, how she wasn't sure she wanted to be with him, how he was doing her head in, etc. She did everything possible, it seems, to sabotage the task, while Mario, Lisa and Luke worked their arses off to make sure they pulled it off. All I can think is that Steph believes her position in the house as the only fit blonde one is safe. I sorely hope she is proved wrong on Friday, but I'm very worried it will be Mario who goes.

I'd like to see Mario and Lisa in there together for at least another week. They have a natural alliance that could prove very interesting to watch should shit hit the fan about other things, as I'm sure it will.
 
Steph fucked up the wedding thing but I still find it strange that they suddenly knew it was Mario and Lisa that were the couple. :hmm:
 
I'm sick of the 'poor mikey' thing that Mario does, and yeah maybe he means well etc but isn't he 40 odd years old? Surely should have a bit more of a head on him about how to treat people with disabilities by now. I just find it really offensive. The fact that Mikey got so upset after Mario using him as a pawn should have meant more to the meat-headed fool.
 
sparklefish said:
Steph fucked up the wedding thing but I still find it strange that they suddenly knew it was Mario and Lisa that were the couple. :hmm:
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Me too at first but then I just assumed they chose them cos they're both 'older' and do blatantly look like a couple... they are like a couple of brother and sister incestuous freaks
 
keithy said:
Me too at first but then I just assumed they chose them cos they're both 'older' and do blatantly look like a couple... they are like a couple of brother and sister incestuous freaks
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Mario reminds me of the loud half of a couple on a flight/long train journey/in a restaurant, who turns on anyone who asks him to tone it down. It's never him at fault it's everyone else. Lisa's the nicer half silently mouthing apologies.
 
keithy said:
I'm sick of the 'poor mikey' thing that Mario does, and yeah maybe he means well etc but isn't he 40 odd years old? Surely should have a bit more of a head on him about how to treat people with disabilities by now. I just find it really offensive. The fact that Mikey got so upset after Mario using him as a pawn should have meant more to the meat-headed fool.
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i'm afrad loads of disablled peopel will relate entirely to the disempowerment which comes from nice well meaning people patronising us... it happens a lot, with the more ovbious disabilities it can be an daily if not hourly occurence you need to learn to deal with it.

and tbh the outrage on behalf of the disablled person being patronised is also in the same vein, really, i mean what makes you think that mikey isn't able due to his disablity to say actually i think you are patronising me if he feels that...

before chucking stones first check you're not in a glass house eh...
 
keithy said:
Lisa is nice, yes, but her one masssssive fault is that she thinks the sun shines out of Mario's arse
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maybe that's because she's been with him for longer than you've know him and can therefore build up an opinion on him over that time rather than what you've seen on a telly show... :)
 
keithy said:
I'm sick of the 'poor mikey' thing that Mario does, and yeah maybe he means well etc but isn't he 40 odd years old? Surely should have a bit more of a head on him about how to treat people with disabilities by now. I just find it really offensive. The fact that Mikey got so upset after Mario using him as a pawn should have meant more to the meat-headed fool.
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keithy said:
Me too at first but then I just assumed they chose them cos they're both 'older' and do blatantly look like a couple... they are like a couple of brother and sister incestuous freaks
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snackhead said:
Mario reminds me of the loud half of a couple on a flight/long train journey/in a restaurant, who turns on anyone who asks him to tone it down. It's never him at fault it's everyone else. Lisa's the nicer half silently mouthing apologies.
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:cool:

Keithy you knows the troof.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i'm afrad loads of disablled peopel will relate entirely to the disempowerment which comes from nice well meaning people patronising us... it happens a lot, with the more ovbious disabilities it can be an daily if not hourly occurence you need to learn to deal with it.

and tbh the outrage on behalf of the disablled person being patronised is also in the same vein, really, i mean what makes you think that mikey isn't able due to his disablity to say actually i think you are patronising me if he feels that...

before chucking stones first check you're not in a glass house eh...
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Where did you get that I'm outraged? I'm not outraged, just offended. My brother is also blind, and I get sick of people defining people by their disabilities and also doing the whole 'what about poooor (whoever)' thing. I'm not saying mikey is a victim who needs to be defended, I'm saying that I don't like Mario's attitude.

e2a: the reason why I find it offensive is because blind people can have a high level of independance, but have to be quite brave to find the confidence in themselves etc. being made out to be unable to participate in things because they are blind is quite demeaning and whatnot.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
maybe that's because she's been with him for longer than you've know him and can therefore build up an opinion on him over that time rather than what you've seen on a telly show... :)
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rather her than me cos I'm fucked if I have to spend years with every bb contestant before my annual judgement-fest can begin
 
keithy said:
Where did you get that I'm outraged? I'm not outraged, just offended. My brother is also blind, and I get sick of people defining people by their disabilities and also doing the whole 'what about poooor (whoever)' thing. I'm not saying mikey is a victim who needs to be defended, I'm saying that I don't like Mario's attitude.
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and in doing so are defining him by his inablities... ok... you can of course see irony... right???

keithy said:
e2a: the reason why I find it offensive is because blind people can have a high level of independance, but have to be quite brave to find the confidence in themselves etc. being made out to be unable to participate in things because they are blind is quite demeaning and whatnot.
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instrestingly there are many many many different kinds of blindness yet you seem to think that havign a blind person as a releation allows you sto speak about all in some glib manner. But others doing the same is crass right...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
and in doing so are defining him by his inablities... ok... you can of course see irony... right???
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don't really get why that means I'm defining him by his disability, I haven't even said anything about Mikey, have only said why I find Mario's attitude offensive.

GarfieldLeChat said:
instrestingly there are many many many different kinds of blindness yet you seem to think that havign a blind person as a releation allows you sto speak about all in some glib manner. But others doing the same is crass right...
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Haven't said anything about 'all'. I said blind people CAN have a high level of independance. And how do you know how limited my experience is of blind people? Growing up with my brother I've been involved in a lot of the social groups and programmes he has been part of, making friends with people who are blind and seeing them as people rather than poor little victims who need their hand holding at all times.
 
I guess if Mikey had a go at a housemate for being patronising there's a danger it would scare others off in the times when he really does need help in the house.

He had a massive general rant yesterday about being patronised when he was trying to get onto a course. He said he was told to do radio instead of tv because it would be 'easier for him' then said they tried to talk him out of applying for the radio course because he'd have to use a pc despite him saying that he was already doing interviews and editing audio and using a pc. He said most of his frustration comes from people assuming he can't do things. He also had a chat along similar lines with Darnell yesterday when they were talking about the fact that they both live on their own. Hopefully some of this will make it onto the highlights show :rolleyes:
 
keithy said:
don't really get why that means I'm defining him by his disability, I haven't even said anything about Mikey, have only said why I find Mario's attitude offensive.
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you are attempting to define mario by his inablity to be apporpreately sensative in a situation where mikey can at any time speak up for himself to defend himself.

this assumption of what is motiviating him in his actions is the same as the assumption that the blind chap will want this.

It's just as patronising and yet you seem to beleive that you're entitled to behave like this regardless of the issues of this very thing happening to disablled people...

It's just a touch hypocritical really...
keithy said:
Haven't said anything about 'all'. I said blind people CAN have a high level of independance. And how do you know how limited my experience is of blind people? Growing up with my brother I've been involved in a lot of the social groups and programmes he has been part of, making friends with people who are blind and seeing them as people rather than poor little victims who need their hand holding at all times.
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how many blind people are there in the world?
how many of them have experinced the same things, upbringing, internactions and perceptions of the world as your brother?
how is the experince of being there with one person living through it the same as having to live through it yourself?

how would any of this be considered more than limited experince.

your assumptions are a projection of your interactions with your brother and how you not he would react to him being placed in a similar situation. again the sample set is very small (you) having a blind brother dones't automatically confere a right or knowledge of that disability nor does it retain exculsivity from critical comment when you make broad sweeping generaliseations...
 
hopefully that will get the point across to the other housemates without him having to tell anyone specifically.

Anyway, moving on. On the live feed they are all dressed in gold, red and blue all in one lurex suits so fuck knows what the task is. :confused:

Darnell was sat in the bedroom just rubbing his thighs, he seems to like the feel a lot. :)
 
snackhead said:
I guess if Mikey had a go at a housemate for being patronising there's a danger it would scare others off in the times when he really does need help in the house.

He had a massive general rant yesterday about being patronised when he was trying to get onto a course. He said he was told to do radio instead of tv because it would be 'easier for him' then said they tried to talk him out of applying for the radio course because he'd have to use a pc despite him saying that he was already doing interviews and editing audio and using a pc. He said most of his frustration comes from people assuming he can't do things. He also had a chat along similar lines with Darnell yesterday when they were talking about the fact that they both live on their own. Hopefully some of this will make it onto the highlights show :rolleyes:
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like people assuming he cannot say stop it to mario because their own brother is blind perhaps...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
you are attempting to define mario by his inablity to be apporpreately sensative in a situation where mikey can at any time speak up for himself to defend himself.

this assumption of what is motiviating him in his actions is the same as the assumption that the blind chap will want this.

It's just as patronising and yet you seem to beleive that you're entitled to behave like this regardless of the issues of this very thing happening to disablled people...

It's just a touch hypocritical really...


how many blind people are there in the world?
how many of them have experinced the same things, upbringing, internactions and perceptions of the world as your brother?
how is the experince of being there with one person living through it the same as having to live through it yourself?

how would any of this be considered more than limited experince.

your assumptions are a projection of your interactions with your brother and how you not he would react to him being placed in a similar situation. again the sample set is very small (you) having a blind brother dones't automatically confere a right or knowledge of that disability nor does it retain exculsivity from critical comment when you make broad sweeping generaliseations...
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I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm not going to argue the toss with you about this - all I said was that I found Mario's 'poor mikey' crap offensive.
 
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