Nutritional "advice" entering the Twilight Zone?

[trashpony]

Why is it bad for the environment please? I use almond milk cause it lasts at least a week in the fridge once opened and as I don't drink tea often or much ordinary milk tends to go off after I just had a cup or two.

Lay off the almond milk, you ignorant hipsters

 

[innit]

Lay off the almond milk, you ignorant hipsters

Sweet Jesus.

 

[gentlegreen]

Give me generic soy every time.
I may start making my own in retirement.

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[EastEnder]

I'll stick with cow juice

 

[gentlegreen]

New research published in Lancet muddies the waters again.
Media and online "experts" already advocating cutting carbs and piling in the saturated fat.

Associations of fats and carbohydrate intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in 18 countries from five continents (PURE): a prospective cohort study

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext?elsca1=tlpr

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Someone has just told me that broccoli contains more protein than meat. I couldn't be bothered to argue.

 

[iona]

Someone has just told me that broccoli contains more protein than meat. I couldn't be bothered to argue.

I suppose it might if you only eat the fat off meat

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I suppose it might if you only eat the fat off meat

A quick Google suggests that broccoli does indeed contain quite a lot of protein but most of it is not usable to humans and you would have to eat a fuck ton of it to get the same amount of essential amino acids that you would get from eating a nice steak. So again, there is a kernal of truth but it is not the whole truth.

 

[iona]

A quick Google suggests that broccoli does indeed contain quite a lot of protein but most of it is not usable to humans and you would have to eat a fuck ton of it to get the same amount of essential amino acids that you would get from eating a nice steak. So again, there is a kernal of truth but it is not the whole truth.

Oh yeah I wasn't suggesting that was anything other than batshit!

 

[gentlegreen]

Broccoli contains more protein per calorie than steak

 

[gentlegreen]

Actually it may be a mere 80 percent in broccoli.
Protein is seriously over-rated.

I eat a broccoli-based diet - one head / 300g, 4 "portions" every day - as well as a lot more veggies...

 

[fishfinger]

Broccoli contains more protein per calorie than steak

According the Dr. Furhman’s book, Eat to Live, a 100-calorie portion of sirloin steak has 5.4 grams of protein, and a 100-calorie portion of broccoli has 11.2 grams of protein. This is rubbish. According to the USDA’s Agricultural Research Service’s Nutrient Data Laboratory database, 100 calories of broiled beef, top sirloin steak has exactly 11.08 grams of protein and 100 calories of chopped, raw broccoli has exactly 8.29. I’m not sure what universe Dr. Furhman lives in, but in my universe, 8.29 is less than 11.08.

“Broccoli has more protein than steak”—and other crap

 

[gentlegreen]

300g / 100 kcals of broccoli :-



All essential amino acids.
And no baggage, but a lot of essential phytonutrients
I'll stick to the broccoli.

 

[gentlegreen]

Six heads of broccoli - a mere 600 kcals. :-

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I do not doubt that broccoli contains protein and lots of good stuff. I take issue with the statement "broccoli contains more protein than steak" because it is not true and it leads people to think that they can get all their protein needs from a few florets.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Looking at your table above, fools might also assume thay broccoli is in fact "bad" for them as it is 99% evil carbs.

 

[gentlegreen]

I do not doubt that broccoli contains protein and lots of good stuff. I take issue with the statement "broccoli contains more protein than steak" because it is not true and it leads people to think that they can get all their protein needs from a few florets.

What people like Joel Fuhrmann are trying to get across is that it's nigh-on impossible to be protein deficient if you are maintaining your calorific balance. (unless you live on doughnuts)

 

[Mrs Miggins]

What people like Joel Fuhrmann are trying to get across is that it's nigh-on impossible to be protein deficient if you are maintaining your calorific balance. (unless you live on doughnuts)

Fair enough but he is quoting incorrect data so it's difficult to take him seriously IMO.

 

[gentlegreen]

Fair enough but he is quoting incorrect data so it's difficult to take him seriously IMO.

I have to say that disappoints me that he left such a glaring error in his book ...

 

[gentlegreen]

Protein broccoli vs steak: is dr. F wrong???

www.facebook.com/drfuhrman/posts/101
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On Google search and Wikipedia the protein content of broccoli per 100 calories is far less than steak.

Joel Fuhrman, M.D. There is no error or fantasy numbers in my book. People look for any silly reason to deny the reality that you have to eat healthfully to be healthy. The data we used was from a listed cut of meat with 1/4 inch fat edge, which was the way the government reported it back then when the book was written years ago, now the government analysis site and more reference works use 1/8 inch of fat around it. So the numbers can vary based on what cut of steak is used in the comparison. Individuals and commercial hamburgers do blend this fat right in and do not trim it all off, so this is not even inaccurate today. This is all just a smoke screen to attack me because some people would prefer to reject my message. If a person was impartial and a scientific thinker, they would not reject my recommendations because they found steak (with more fat trimmed) is higher in protein then was listed. The argument is not based on this one fact. The bottom line is that broccoli has plenty of protein, as does all greens, beans and seeds, and when we eat them in copious amounts we get sufficient protein. I never said your entire diet should be broccoli or other greens. And, I never make up numbers, I just report them as carefully as possible. That does not mean I can never make an inadvertent error but that would not change the message of eating high nutrient plant foods and restricting animal protein and high glycemic carbohydrates to prevent cancer.

 

[EastEnder]

Protein broccoli vs steak: is dr. F wrong???

His explanation makes me doubt his authenticity. He goes to great pains to justify his figures, whilst simultaneously highlighting how easy it is for figures to be misinterpreted. His message appears to be both a generic one of "eat more veg, less meat", combined with a "here's the exact numbers to back up the argument" approach. This is schizophrenic & dilutes the message. He should just stick to the "eat more veg, less meat" angle & not bother trying to prove it to the nth degree. As soon as you say "X is better than Y by Z percent" you open yourself up to scrutiny & the vagaries of subtly conflicting analysis based on the inaccuracy inherent in such matters. Eat more veg, less meat, end of story. We all know that's true, no need to bang the drum about precise figures.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Is there anything more utterly miserable than reducing food to a bloody spreadsheet?

Eat a balanced, varied diet. Nothing is "bad". That's it. That is literally all you need to know.

 

[Orang Utan]

Is there anything more utterly miserable than reducing food to a bloody spreadsheet?

Eat a balanced, varied diet. Nothing is "bad". That's it. That is literally all you need to know.

I agree, but if you're a vegan or a vegetarian, you have to be more rigorous about finding that balance

 

[gentlegreen]

Nothing wrong with checking once in a while.
It's especially easy for me because I prefer to eat the same food every day.
Surely one's health is worth a similar amount of effort to that which one might devote to one's finances for example ?

And as for "nothing is bad" .....

 

[Orang Utan]

Nothing wrong with checking once in a while.
It's especially easy for me because I prefer to eat the same food every day.

how can you stand that?

 

[EastEnder]

how can you stand that?

Would you say the same about someone who drank the same kind of beer all the time?

 

[Orang Utan]

Would you say the same about someone who drank the same kind of beer all the time?

probs

 

[xenon]

Do vitamin pills work or not? Assuming you eat enough fibre and not too much saturated fat. Work in terms of providing nutrients.

 

[EastEnder]

probs

Betcha wouldn't!

I know people who love Guinness & moan incessantly if they can't have Guinness. If I said "but you always have Guinness, why not try something different?", they'd say no, they like Guinness.

 

[EastEnder]

Do vitamin pills work or not? Assuming you eat enough fibre and not too much saturated fat. Work in terms of providing nutrients.

Define "work" ?