Notice served and Dulwich Hamlet locked out of ground
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PartisanDulwich
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Joe Copping | Freelance | Property Week
surely not same Joe Copping- Meadow partnership - uk legal ???
surely not same Joe Copping- Meadow partnership - uk legal ???
PartisanDulwich
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Joe Copping
DIRECTOR – HEAD OF UK LEGAL
Mr. Copping is a Director – Head of UK Legal in the London Office of Meadow Partners and is responsible for the project management and property operations of real estate assets in London.
Mr. Copping qualified as a solicitor in 2002. Prior to joining Meadow Partners, Mr. Copping worked at Blake Morgan LLP and Taylor Wessing LLP in London, where he advised Meadow on numerous transactions. Mr. Copping has significant experience in all aspects of commercial property transactions in the United Kingdom.
Mr. Copping obtained a law degree with honours from Warwick University in 1998.
DIRECTOR – HEAD OF UK LEGAL
Mr. Copping is a Director – Head of UK Legal in the London Office of Meadow Partners and is responsible for the project management and property operations of real estate assets in London.
Mr. Copping qualified as a solicitor in 2002. Prior to joining Meadow Partners, Mr. Copping worked at Blake Morgan LLP and Taylor Wessing LLP in London, where he advised Meadow on numerous transactions. Mr. Copping has significant experience in all aspects of commercial property transactions in the United Kingdom.
Mr. Copping obtained a law degree with honours from Warwick University in 1998.
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
I guess we should be talking about the new planning proposal put in today. I suspect meadow have well and truly burnt their bridges though.
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/cdn.webfactore.co.uk/sr_686720.pdf
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/cdn.webfactore.co.uk/sr_686720.pdf
sleaterkinney
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More of the same. 
Pink Panther
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Meadow can fuck right off. Weasel words from weasel McDaniel and his disgusting henchman "Igor" Bennison.
BrandNewGuy
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Is it on the Southwark planning website?
sleaterkinney
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Is that some kind of mini pitch on top of the clubhouse?.
PartisanDulwich
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couldn't ask for a better response from the Council leader
bar a few F's and that was unlikely
bar a few F's and that was unlikely
Pollard Thomas Edwards are the Architects on the drawings.
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BrandNewGuy
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But have Meadow decided to publicise it? Where has this come from, apart from possibly a Google search?
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
Their website
blueheaven
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Does this still involve developing on MOL?
It's a pre-app so a lot of details have yet to be decided. Looking at what has been published all we can really say is that they are only applying to build on the current pitch (so no MOL impact if my understanding on what is MOL is correct) and are offering a Section 106 contribution towards developing the old astro (which is where MOL rules will kick in.) They will not be directly involved in the astro re-development as it stands.
As such it is unlikely Southwark will be able to rule out any formal planning application along these lines on MOL grounds. Hopefully their Local Plan has tied the ground down well enough that provides reasons to reject it. (Peter John's tweet suggests he thinks that is the case and that certainly seemed to be the intention last time the Local Plan was revised.) The Local Plan is now absolutely crucial. There has to be a legal framework to reject a planning application and it is the Local Plan that could, hopefully will, provide that framework.
Pre-apps are pretty standard in the planning world as you can knock up a cheaper plan and consult with local planners, local residents and anyone else you want to without the expense of drawing up full plans. It's not a shock that they have done this. Given one of the main reasons their last attempt failed was the MOL rules they were always going to come back to the table with an application that didn't touch MOL and that was always going to be bad news for DHFC if they manage to get it through.
As such it is unlikely Southwark will be able to rule out any formal planning application along these lines on MOL grounds. Hopefully their Local Plan has tied the ground down well enough that provides reasons to reject it. (Peter John's tweet suggests he thinks that is the case and that certainly seemed to be the intention last time the Local Plan was revised.) The Local Plan is now absolutely crucial. There has to be a legal framework to reject a planning application and it is the Local Plan that could, hopefully will, provide that framework.
Pre-apps are pretty standard in the planning world as you can knock up a cheaper plan and consult with local planners, local residents and anyone else you want to without the expense of drawing up full plans. It's not a shock that they have done this. Given one of the main reasons their last attempt failed was the MOL rules they were always going to come back to the table with an application that didn't touch MOL and that was always going to be bad news for DHFC if they manage to get it through.
blueheaven
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Can you just imagine the shit, bare-minimum facilities the club will end up with if these nasty sods are left to plan it. They cannot be allowed to destroy our existing stadium.
If Meadow get away with this I wouldn't expect them to be involved in the new stadium. They will just pay a Section 106 offering to Southwark. It would then be up to Southwark whether or not that is used to build a new football ground. Meadow would almost certainly cease to be involved the day they hand over any flats they manage to build.
Southwark will have been expecting this, I'm sure they will have anticipated this move and the fact they were reviewing the Local Plan when this all blew up is rather helpful as they should, and probably did, use that opportunity to review what level of protection the site of the current ground had. The fact car park has been identified for development in the Local Plan strongly suggests the ground is zoned off in some format, hopefully basically saying they'd welcome a good development on the car park but that you have next to no chance of building on the pitch area. I seem to remember YTC posting extracts from the proposed plan that looked pretty solid.
Time to read the Local Plan.......
Edited to add that rules around MOL would still apply to any proposed ground on the astroturf. As such, if Sadiq Khan is still Mayor and truth be told probably the same would be true of his successor, I'd suggest the astroturf site is unlikely to suitable for conversion to a ground of stature DHFC would need irrespective of the financing of the ground.
Southwark will have been expecting this, I'm sure they will have anticipated this move and the fact they were reviewing the Local Plan when this all blew up is rather helpful as they should, and probably did, use that opportunity to review what level of protection the site of the current ground had. The fact car park has been identified for development in the Local Plan strongly suggests the ground is zoned off in some format, hopefully basically saying they'd welcome a good development on the car park but that you have next to no chance of building on the pitch area. I seem to remember YTC posting extracts from the proposed plan that looked pretty solid.
Time to read the Local Plan.......
Edited to add that rules around MOL would still apply to any proposed ground on the astroturf. As such, if Sadiq Khan is still Mayor and truth be told probably the same would be true of his successor, I'd suggest the astroturf site is unlikely to suitable for conversion to a ground of stature DHFC would need irrespective of the financing of the ground.
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crocustim
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Looks like they are proposing to build a clubhouse at the western edge and turn the Astro turf into the playing pitch. Similar to last application but no sign of any terraces though or retaining wall probably due to MOL protection. Also they don't sodding own most the land covered by the stadium (as opposed to the clubhouse ) to be able to talk so magnanimously about giving the stadium to Southwark for "nil consideration".
The fact this is pre-app and that they are not submitting a planning application for a ground explains the lack of terracing / retaining wall etc. They are purely working towards a development on the current pitch at this stage and offering a Section 106 payment that could be used towards the ground. However, building any terracing or wall on the MOL land would be highly problematic in planning terms. Frankly I'd suggest the new ground offering is smoke and mirrors. If the pitch is built on I am far from certain that any new ground will be built on Green Dale. In planning terms that is close to no go and the Mayor of London has an electoral mandate to block development on MOL so even if Southwark passed it - frankly unlikely - I think it would be blocked by the Mayor's Office.
Put simply, don't worry about what sort of stadium would be put there. Focus on making sure any planning application to build on the pitch is rejected.
Put simply, don't worry about what sort of stadium would be put there. Focus on making sure any planning application to build on the pitch is rejected.
Jimbob73
The Wanley Road Massive
Why didn't Meadow try a revised version like this when the first application collapsed rather than going mental and destroying any trust or relationships that they might of had at the time? Surely that would have given them a better chance of getting a development through? Now no-one trusts them and can see them for what they are, heartless money driven scumbags.
PartisanDulwich
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Is this Meadows last throw of the dice ??
why submit this when surely they realise will be rejected straight out
maybe too please those in New York who ask what is UK arm of Meadows doing ? to bring in the money
is this pre apps just a cheap option to keep the pressure up on Southwark Council - before appealing to Housing Minister - we want to build houses ....but.....
why submit this when surely they realise will be rejected straight out
maybe too please those in New York who ask what is UK arm of Meadows doing ? to bring in the money
is this pre apps just a cheap option to keep the pressure up on Southwark Council - before appealing to Housing Minister - we want to build houses ....but.....
StephenMac
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I'm no planning expert but I've assumed the mention in the Meadow letter of there being no cost to the taxpayer is just playing politics. Clumsily.
