No Vatican - London for a Secular Europe

[Dooby]

March/demo this February 14th in central London

http://www.meetup.com/Central-London-Humanists/calendar/12192702/

or

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=415005340443&ref=mf

 

[Dooby]

March/demo this February 14th in central London

http://www.meetup.com/Central-London-Humanists/calendar/12192702/

or

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=415005340443&ref=mf

oh arses, I see there's a separate announcing thread. And so it may already have been posted on there too.
Mind you, feel free to comment or criticise this er, announcement which may make it fit into this thread better.

I'd be rubbish at world domination.

 

[smokedout]

much more promising, seems like the NSS, Tatchell, Namazie and co have dropped the dodgy relationship with the freedom association and assorted misfits

 

[Dooby]

much more promising, seems like the NSS, Tatchell, Namazie and co have dropped the dodgy relationship with the freedom association and assorted misfits

Oh I didn't know there was an issue there. Thought they were supportive of No2ID?

 

[Buzz sw9]

get a job and have a bath for fucks sake, only lonely students and alcoholic anarchists will attend, its valentines day for fuck sake!

Get in my way when I'm going home for some lovin' and I'll run you over with my 4x4

I'm going to organise a demo to keep scruffy irks from demonstrating about things only 1 man and his dogs gives a shit about and pay your own fucking policing cost!

 

[Dooby]

get a job and have a bath for fucks sake, only lonely students and alcoholic anarchists will attend, its valentines day for fuck sake!

Get in my way when I'm going home for some lovin' and I'll run you over with my 4x4

I'm going to organise a demo to keep scruffy irks from demonstrating about things only 1 man and his dogs gives a shit about and pay your own fucking policing cost!

No one's honestly so tragic that they do their lovin' on a nationally designated day, surely?

 

[Buzz sw9]

No one's honestly so tragic that they do their lovin' on a nationally designated day, surely?

I do my lovin' everyday and I'm pissed off tripping over scruffy students demonstrating about something or other.

Sort yourselves out, people have be demonstrating for years and nothings change, try blowing up a few building and make a bloody effort!

 

[Dooby]

I do my lovin' everyday and I'm pissed off tripping over scruffy students demonstrating about something or other.

Sort yourselves out, people have be demonstrating for years and nothings change, try blowing up a few building and make a bloody effort!

I could set you on fire in a public square?

 

[Buzz sw9]

I could set you on fire in a public square?

ok that sounds like fun, I'll bring the matches,

Oi are you a bird or a bloke, I don't want some bird setting me alight

 

[DotCommunist]

get a job and have a bath for fucks sake, only lonely students and alcoholic anarchists will attend, its valentines day for fuck sake!

Get in my way when I'm going home for some lovin' and I'll run you over with my 4x4

I'm going to organise a demo to keep scruffy irks from demonstrating about things only 1 man and his dogs gives a shit about and pay your own fucking policing cost!

You'll be walking back to your bedsit to have a microwave meal for one then a wank into a sock followed by an early night.

 

[Buzz sw9]

You'll be walking back to your bedsit to have a microwave meal for one then a wank into a sock followed by an early night.

No I wont so there

wank into a sock you peasent, I'll use the knickers i stole from the bird in the bedsit downstairs

They should be good for a few wanks, you want to see the size of 'er

 

[ajdown]

What a load of bollocks.

Change the word "religion" for "a lifestyle based on your chosen set of beliefs" and what exactly is this group doing that's different from imposing their will on others?

To most people, their faith is a private thing, that affects the way they live their lives, and those that do choose to proactively tell others about it, don't go about disrupting the lives of others in such a big way.

Fundamentalist Atheists are a far bigger danger to modern society than Christians or Moslems.

 

[solidyeoman]

The Pope is a Dope

Top anti-papal song - 'The Pope is a Dope' by the Living Legends

http://www.swanseapunk.co.uk/pagesound/Page3_The Pope is a Dope.mp3

 

[krtek a houby]

I wish someone would march against sectarian threads...

 

[ajdown]

Given there's only 120 people attending according to their Facebook group, it shouldn't be difficult to organise a counter-protest.

I'm not a Catholic, but am certainly against their cause.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I do my lovin' everyday and I'm pissed off tripping over scruffy students demonstrating about something or other.

Students demonstrating?
Are you trapped in the 1980s? Students nowadays are the least political they've been in 50 years. Most of them are too supine or too knackered from working and studying full-time to bother with protesting.
If you're going to use tropes in your comedy rants, at least make sure they're up-to-date tropes, eh?

 

[Dooby]

What a load of bollocks.

Change the word "religion" for "a lifestyle based on your chosen set of beliefs" and what exactly is this group doing that's different from imposing their will on others?

To most people, their faith is a private thing, that affects the way they live their lives, and those that do choose to proactively tell others about it, don't go about disrupting the lives of others in such a big way.

Fundamentalist Atheists are a far bigger danger to modern society than Christians or Moslems.

It's not an anti-religion movement, knock yerself out if that;'s waht you want. It's secular - it's about keeping religion out of law, education, health services etc etc Don't have to be an atheist to believe that, I AM an atheist but don't actually believe christians and muslims (or any other religion) are a threat to modern society per se, just those people in positions of power who think that coz THEY believe in fairies, that belief should impact on everyone else.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No I wont so there

wank into a sock you peasent, I'll use the knickers i stole from the bird in the bedsit downstairs

They should be good for a few wanks, you want to see the size of 'er

Surely it'd be a hate-wank if you beat yourself off into female underwear, given that on another thread you were emphatic about being a male homosexual?

 

[krtek a houby]

Students demonstrating?
Are you trapped in the 1980s? Students nowadays are the least political they've been in 50 years. Most of them are too supine or too knackered from working and studying full-time to bother with protesting.
If you're going to use tropes in your comedy rants, at least make sure they're up-to-date tropes, eh?

I dunno, I saw plenty of young uns on the anti-war marches; specifically Feb 15 2003. And OAPs, Christians, Muslims, pagans, doctors, nurses, war veterans and so on. Pretty much every social strata was represented. I almost bumped into Chris Morris, who was also on the march.

So Buzz is kind of right, in a mostly wrong and tiresome way

 

[ViolentPanda]

What a load of bollocks.

Change the word "religion" for "a lifestyle based on your chosen set of beliefs" and what exactly is this group doing that's different from imposing their will on others?

To most people, their faith is a private thing, that affects the way they live their lives, and those that do choose to proactively tell others about it, don't go about disrupting the lives of others in such a big way.

Fundamentalist Atheists are a far bigger danger to modern society than Christians or Moslems.

To many at the more "evangelical" end of organised religion, and especially within Christianity, their faith isn't a private thing, because the tenets of their faith require them not only to live according to the dictates of that faith, but to testify, evangelise and convert. Activities which are very much not a "private thing", and which in effect politicise that faith.
Add to that the fact that the hierarchies of most organised religions within the UK attempt to exert influence over social policy in the UK in an organised manner, which atheists don't subscribe to, and you (yet again) don't appear to actually have much of a clue about the subject you're holding forth on.

 

[Dooby]

To many at the more "evangelical" end of organised religion, and especially within Christianity, their faith isn't a private thing, because the tenets of their faith require them not only to live according to the dictates of that faith, but to testify, evangelise and convert. Activities which are very much not a "private thing", and which in effect politicise that faith.
Add to that the fact that the hierarchies of most organised religions within the UK attempt to exert influence over social policy in the UK in an organised manner, which atheists don't subscribe to, and you (yet again) don't appear to actually have much of a clue about the subject you're holding forth on.

Oh I love it when people are more articulate than me. And I can quote them in a feeble attempt at reflected glory...

 

[ajdown]

Add to that the fact that the hierarchies of most organised religions within the UK attempt to exert influence over social policy in the UK in an organised manner, which atheists don't subscribe to, and you (yet again) don't appear to actually have much of a clue about the subject you're holding forth on.

So you don't think it's any coincidence how the breakdown in civilised society here in the US and around the world can be traced back to about the same time that the leftie do-gooders started trying to change things and remove the positive Christian influence from schools - and that the mess we're now in is a direct result of those children growing up and ending up in positions of power without any positive anchor-point to base things on.

I ask you this question then - why is it wrong for a religious group to 'exert influence' over social policy, yet it's perfectly fine for secular/humanist/whatever groups to do so?

 

[DotCommunist]

So you don't think it's any coincidence how the breakdown in civilised society here in the US and around the world can be traced back to about the same time that the leftie do-gooders started trying to change things and remove the positive Christian influence from schools - and that the mess we're now in is a direct result of those children growing up and ending up in positions of power without any positive anchor-point to base things on.

I ask you this question then - why is it wrong for a religious group to 'exert influence' over social policy, yet it's perfectly fine for secular/humanist/whatever groups to do so?

You'd not say that if it was the scientologists, would you?

How about some teaching from the qu'ran to shape social policy, be taught in schools? Or Shinto Buddhist teachings perhaps?

You're up on your soapbox because it is your faith being questioned. Hopelessly and quite obviously partisan

 

[ajdown]

You're up on your soapbox because it is your faith being questioned. Hopelessly and quite obviously partisan

Actually, it's not.

The pope is a Catholic.

I'm Christian.

 

[DotCommunist]

Actually, it's not.

The pope is a Catholic.

I'm Christian.

Catholicism is a type of christianity. But nice sidestep avoidance of the main point.

 

[derf]

Fundamentalist Atheists are a far bigger danger to modern society than Christians or Moslems.

I have been arguing that very point on another forum.
I had no idea there were websites out there for the devout followers of the Dawkins, son of no fucker special, to peddle their extreme stupidity and paranoid bollocks. It is so close what the Nazis were doing in 1930s Europe but with a broader target group whose freedoms they want to restrict.

 

[tarannau]

Ooh, nazi invoked Godwin's Law and the ridiculous approach of portraying unacceptable discrimination as a freedom. Top word Derf

 

[Dooby]

I have been arguing that very point on another forum.
I had no idea there were websites out there for the devout followers of the Dawkins, son of no fucker special, to peddle their extreme stupidity and paranoid bollocks. It is so close what the Nazis were doing in 1930s Europe but with a broader target group whose freedoms they want to restrict.

This is so totally fruitloop nonsense that it's really not worth debating. You can't have a rational argument with a clearly irrational person.

 

[kyser_soze]

I wish someone would march against sectarian threads...

In what way is this a sectarian thread?

 

[DotCommunist]

I have been arguing that very point on another forum.
I had no idea there were websites out there for the devout followers of the Dawkins, son of no fucker special, to peddle their extreme stupidity and paranoid bollocks. It is so close what the Nazis were doing in 1930s Europe but with a broader target group whose freedoms they want to restrict.