No to "Team GB" at the Olympics 2012

[internetstalker]

obviously you are not clever enough to get what's been explained to you over and over. which are the qualities needed for those proud of their whiteness

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now get back to class child

you do know/accept that you can be non-white and english don't you?
it's got nothing to do with being engerlish, even tho i may be confused i can atleast understand why someone says they are proud of being engerlish

I very much think you got the wrong end of the stick and are to stupid to realise

 

[Refused as fuck]

just cos your Welsh gf chucked ya! grow up eh!

or carry on living up to the true enerlich stereotypes

I'm only messing, man.

 

[JTG]

you're such an english stereotype refused

 

[Flashman]

Yeah, you're giving all us non stereotype types a bad name man.

 

[Refused as fuck]

You already have a bad name. "Flashman", FFS.

 

[Wilf]

But they are all individual countries. They're not regions, they are countries.
Do the netherlands, belgium and luxemburg put forward a benelux team?? I'd guess No!!(hopes she's right coz knows very little about footie)

Don't think that's the right analogy. Benelux isn't a country itself, whereas the UK is (even if not a unitary state). I think a better comparison for us having 4 teams would be if the German Lander all had their own teams in the World CUp/Champions League. Its an illogical situation and I've always been surprised other countries, uefa etc let us get away with it.

Can't say I'm that fussed and I can see why W,N and NI want to cling onto things as they are. However it would have been nice to see a uk team at one of the recent world cups (err, that's probably the england team + Ryan Giggs )

 

[N_igma]

Personally I think British nationalism is much more sickening than Scots/Welsh/Irish/English.

 

[revol68]

Personally I think British nationalism is much more sickening than Scots/Welsh/Irish/English.

See I don't really believe that, I think it usually ends up as a watered down version of English nationalism as no one else really gives a fuck about 'Britain'. Welsh nationalism is pathetic, I mean if you're gonna be a nationalist prat atleast have a history of violence and resistance to look back on that doesn't involve burning holiday homes or being slightly rude to English people in rural pubs. Scottish nationalism is quite funny cos they like to claim oppression whilst doing mighty well out of the whole British Empire thing and Irish nationalism whilst obviously the best at being a nationalism is paradoxically worse because it's much more real, contemporary and raw.

 

[internetstalker]

See I don't really believe that, I think it usually ends up as a watered down version of English nationalism as no one else really gives a fuck about 'Britain'. Welsh nationalism is pathetic, I mean if you're gonna be a nationalist prat atleast have a history of violence and resistance to look back on that doesn't involve burning holiday homes or being slightly rude to English people in rural pubs. Scottish nationalism is quite funny cos they like to claim oppression whilst doing mighty well out of the whole British Empire thing and Irish nationalism whilst obviously the best at being a nationalism is paradoxically worse because it's much more real, contemporary and raw.

ROTFLMFAO

 

[JTG]

Don't think that's the right analogy. Benelux isn't a country itself, whereas the UK is (even if not a unitary state). I think a better comparison for us having 4 teams would be if the German Lander all had their own teams in the World CUp/Champions League. Its an illogical situation and I've always been surprised other countries, uefa etc let us get away with it.

Can't say I'm that fussed and I can see why W,N and NI want to cling onto things as they are. However it would have been nice to see a uk team at one of the recent world cups (err, that's probably the england team + Ryan Giggs )

Not really, the four nations see themselves as distinct entities and that's what counts.

 

[aylee]

JOINT STATEMENT FROM:

The Association of Tartan Army clubs (ATAC - Scotland)
Football Supporters Federation (FSF - England)
Football Supporters Federation Cymru (FSF - Wales) and
Amalgamation of Official NI Fans Clubs (AONISC - Northern Ireland)

OLYMPIC COE IS TALKING B*LLS

The No Team GB campaign today accused Lord Moynihan (former Olympic
Cox) and Lord Coe of sticking their head in the sand and ploughing
ahead with
their pipedream of a Team GB football team at the 2012 Olympic Games.

Spokesman Tam Ferry said;
'The fans of the 4 home nations international teams are sick and
tired of the constant stream of fantasy stories coming out in the
press from Lord Moynihan and Lord Coe regarding a Team GB football
team for the 2012 Olympics.
The quicker they get their heads out the sand and accept that from a
football point of view there is no such thing as a Team GB the better.
The BOA may well enter a Football Team into the 2012 Olympics and
they even try to call it a Team GB Football team, but its simply a
Team GB football team.
It will be an England U23 team playing under the banner of Team GB
and without the blessing of the England Fans.
Football Fans of all the home nations are united against Team GB
football team as it risks the future independence of the 4 home
nations teams.
FIFA supremo Sepp Blatter stated in March that entering a Team GB
football team will "....put into question all the privileges that the
British associations"
Our football teams have a long and proud national identity and Lord
Moynihan is showing his true colours today stating its only about
winning medals at any cost.
Its a cost the Scottish FA, Irish FA and Welsh FA are not prepared to
pay and the fans are right behind them in their united stance against
this political bullying.

Scotland play Northern Ireland next month at Hampden Park and there
will be a No Team GB Party before the game with both sets of fans,
and there will be NoTeamGB.com banners at the match'

Sounds to me like a bunch of self-appointed people bleating away. Twatter is on record as stating that participation in the Olympics would not jeopardise the future of the national associations, so I say why not?

 

[bendeus]

I mean if you're gonna be a nationalist prat atleast have a history of violence and resistance to look back on that doesn't involve burning holiday homes or being slightly rude to English people in rural pubs.

Yes. Far cooler to dismember schoolchildren doing a bit of Saturday shopping, no?

Irish nationalism whilst obviously the best at being a nationalism is paradoxically worse because it's much more real, contemporary and raw.

And edgy. Don't forget edgy. Irish nationalism = The Piss Christ of nationalisms.

 

[JTG]

Sounds to me like a bunch of self-appointed people bleating away. Twatter is on record as stating that participation in the Olympics would not jeopardise the future of the national associations, so I say why not?

they're organisations that represent thousands of match going fans at club and international level across the UK

 

[Flashman]

You already have a bad name. "Flashman", FFS.

What are you, 12?

Oh dear

 

[Wilf]

Not really, the four nations see themselves as distinct entities and that's what counts.

I'm not disputing that, yes they do - though that then seems like an argument for offering a whole range of other 'nations' the same arrangements e.g Catalonia.

My point is a different one. I'm more surprised that various football organisations (and the same in many other sports) have allowed this to carry on so long. Taken at a pretty base level - money - lots of other countries woould love to have the full contingent of English style Champions League and UEFA cup places PLUS Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen (and other minor W and NI entries).

 

[JTG]

I'm not disputing that, yes they do - though that then seems like an argument for offering a whole range of other 'nations' the same arrangements e.g Catalonia.

My point is a different one. I'm more surprised that various football organisations (and the same in many other sports) have allowed this to carry on so long. Taken at a pretty base level - money - lots of other countries woould love to have the full contingent of English style Champions League and UEFA cup places PLUS Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen (and other minor W and NI entries).

There are four governing bodies for UK football, all completely seperate. The argument that the UK has multiple entrants only holds firm if you think it's one country. Which it isn't clearly.

 

[JTG]

Twatter is on record as stating that participation in the Olympics would not jeopardise the future of the national associations, so I say why not?

Is he really?

"If you start to put together a combined team for the Olympics, the question will automatically come up that there are four different associations so how can they play in one team," he said.

"If this is the case then why the hell do they have four associations and four votes and their own vice-presidency?

"This will put into question all the privileges that the British associations have been given by the Congress in 1946."

He actually thinks that the GB team should be England as this will not then jeopardise the future of all four home nations as independent entities. This is what will probably end up happening anyway seeing as the three others quite sensibly want no part of it.

 

[aylee]

The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, has confirmed that a Great Britain football team will compete in the 2012 Olympics and their participation will not affect the home nations' separate representation on the game's world governing body.


Blatter said that Fifa had given written guarantees that fielding a host British team will not interfere with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland maintaining their separate identities. He said: "We have confirmed in writing that they have to provide a Great Britain team for the 2012 Olympics, but the four British associations will not lose the rights and privileges acquired back in 1947.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/great-britain-to-have-united-team-at-2012-olympics-says-blatter-505115.html

 

[JTG]

so they can't make their minds up. The SFA, FAW and IFA are quite right not to trust them.

 

[internetstalker]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/great-britain-to-have-united-team-at-2012-olympics-says-blatter-505115.html

Im all for a GB team competing in the Olympics myself.

Saying that if Sepp Blatter thinks it's a good idea it cant be!!

 

[1927]

I dont want to spoil the thread by actually coming up with a sensible suggestion, but wouldn't it save a lot of ranting if the BOC went to FIFA and said, "look we're hosting the Olympics, we gave football to the world, could you please sanction a GB team playing in 2012 without any precedent being set for the home assocaitions givng up their independance!"

Simple really if you think about it.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So your complaint is based simply around nationalism of wales, ireland and scotland

not really it's patently obivous who'd get the fundign in the run up to the 2012 games and it would in essence destroy the three other teams whilst elevating the english side to near chelsea levels whilst reducing the others to near village football levels of funding...

It's perfectly reasonable to say no we don't want to be usurped by on nation...