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mentalchik

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Right, as some of you will already know i have a health issue which has now kept me off work for 3 months and looks like it could go on for some time. Am trying to discover from my employer if my sick pay has now run out (have been on more or less full sick pay so far) Have been looking at benefits etc online and have to say am totally confused. Have never claimed in my life and am getting increasingly anxious about having no money and absolutely terrified about losing my flat (HA flat). Am able to claim for PIP now it's been 3 months ? but obviously that's not going to give me enough to cover everything (currently my rent, council tax, gas/electric, broadband, tv license come to just over £900) I have no savings, no assets, got another 5 years till i reach state pension age.

Am seriously anxious

ETA just found out from work my company sick pay has indeed run out so will be looking at just SSP next payday which won't even pay the rent....having a meltdown
 
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So it seems i can't claim UC untill my payslips show i no longer get sick pay from my employer...will apply for PIP tomorrow as it has to be 3 months since you went sick......am so scared
 
PIP claims are taking a long time to process unfortunately, there is a huge backlog. Averages of 15-20 weeks have been cited, although the number of caseworkers has been increased recently, so things may be improving.

Awards are backdated to when the claim started though.
 
But it won't be enough....sorry am in full on panic attack....feel like i may have to force myself back to work
 
Lost my home once before but didn't have any health issues so got round it.....sorry i know there are people in a far worse place than me but am feeling so desperate now.....how can i go back, can't walk properly, in huge amounts of pain (have meds)...NHS is taking it's own sweet time (has been lots of cock ups and don't even have a diagnosis yet).....am coming off here for a bit am making myself crazy
 
I would highly recommend you contact Citizens Advice.

I was on PIP for a while when I broke my ankle. It's a bit of a maze to navigate. I think they intentionally make it difficult. I always thought how fucking hard it must be if English wasn't your first language.

It's also worthwhile calling them, rather than trying online. Although expect potentially hours on hold. Call first thing in the morning, not the afternoon.
 
I think this is relevant to you here Mental:



You might be able to get Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) if you have difficulty working because you’re sick or disabled. This is called having 'limited capability for work'.

You can get ESA at the same time as other benefits like Personal Independence Payment (PIP).

You can’t usually get ESA at the same time as Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) or Income Support.

If you’re employed but you can’t work, you’ll usually get Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) from your employer for 28 weeks. You can’t get SSP and ESA at the same time, but you can start your ESA claim up to 3 months before your SSP ends. It’s worth claiming ESA early so your payments start as soon as possible.

You can get ESA if you’re self-employed - the application process is the same

also ring the council and ask to talk to housing, I believe you would claim Housing Benefit via Universal Credit but they will know better than me about that. I'm pretty damn sure you should have a claim there, especially as sick pay runs out
 
Make sure your employer sends you an SSP1 form when your 28 weeks of SSP has ended. It is good practice to issue this around a month or so before the SSP end date.

This SSP1 form is what you can use to claim various benefits (not my area of expertise but I send out a lot of SSP1 forms and I know some of our staff have used it for this reason)

If you aren’t sure when your SSP ends, and employer hasn’t told you, I can work this out for you if you know the dates you’ve been off sick, feel free to PM me
 
I would highly recommend you contact Citizens Advice.

I was on PIP for a while when I broke my ankle. It's a bit of a maze to navigate. I think they intentionally make it difficult. I always thought how fucking hard it must be if English wasn't your first language.

It's also worthwhile calling them, rather than trying online. Although expect potentially hours on hold. Call first thing in the morning, not the afternoon.

Are you sure you mean PIP and not ESA? I'm not being nitpicky, they're very very different benefits.

You can get universal credit while you're on SSP, it will just be a lower amount, but will include an amount for your rent and council tax.

I'll write a fuller post later - just wanted to post not to worry, because as difficult as the benefits system is, yours is the kind of situation that it's set up for fairly well. Also, don't worry about PIP unless your health condition is serious, permanent, and means you need support with your daily life rather than with work.

Also, just quickly, another good source of benefits advice is actually your housing association. They always have their own benefits advice team, and they really don't want to kick a good tenant out, so will genuinely try to help you apply for everything you need to stop that happening.
 
Are you sure you mean PIP and not ESA? I'm not being nitpicky, they're very very different benefits.

You can get universal credit while you're on SSP, it will just be a lower amount, but will include an amount for your rent and council tax.

I'll write a fuller post later - just wanted to post not to worry, because as difficult as the benefits system is, yours is the kind of situation that it's set up for fairly well. Also, don't worry about PIP unless your health condition is serious, permanent, and means you need support with your daily life rather than with work.

Also, just quickly, another good source of benefits advice is actually your housing association. They always have their own benefits advice team, and they really don't want to kick a good tenant out, so will genuinely try to help you apply for everything you need to stop that happening.

Yeh, defo PIP. Well.. I think. yes.. on top of my UC. So it covered the rent and basic food but not much else.
 
Are you sure you mean PIP and not ESA? I'm not being nitpicky, they're very very different benefits.

You can get universal credit while you're on SSP, it will just be a lower amount, but will include an amount for your rent and council tax.

I'll write a fuller post later - just wanted to post not to worry, because as difficult as the benefits system is, yours is the kind of situation that it's set up for fairly well. Also, don't worry about PIP unless your health condition is serious, permanent, and means you need support with your daily life rather than with work.

Also, just quickly, another good source of benefits advice is actually your housing association. They always have their own benefits advice team, and they really don't want to kick a good tenant out, so will genuinely try to help you apply for everything you need to stop that happening.
Thank you....sorry had a full on major panic attack ( i know it's a tad pathetic but this is all a first for me)....am slightly wary of contacting the HA as am worried they will want me out of my home and in a smaller flat...know that sounds ungrateful but have moved so many times in my life am desperate to stay in my home....i know i'm catastrophysing and today will be fine, have spent the last half hour trying to work out if i can manage going back to work but it seems impossible :(:(:(
 
Again apologies for all the gibberish, need to eat and take my meds...it feels like a huge mountain to climb at the mo....can't do UC at the moment apparently until i no longer get company sick pay (next pay day at the beginning of Dec is going to be just awful)
 
It may be worth asking your work if they can give you an indication of what your net pay will be so you can budget. They may not be able to provide this right away, but worth asking.
 
Sorry to hear you're having to deal with this chiklet. No useful advice but lots of knowledgeable people here who can advise.

I think Citizens Advice should be able to help you if you need to sit down and go through things with someone in person? Maybe try your nearest branch?

Good luck x
 
Thank you....sorry had a full on major panic attack ( i know it's a tad pathetic but this is all a first for me)....am slightly wary of contacting the HA as am worried they will want me out of my home and in a smaller flat...know that sounds ungrateful but have moved so many times in my life am desperate to stay in my home....i know i'm catastrophysing and today will be fine, have spent the last half hour trying to work out if i can manage going back to work but it seems impossible :(:(:(
You'll have to claim UC rent element to pay the rent (this is taking over from Housing Benefit) , the amount it pays depends on your income, but they also make a deduction - maybe £17pw if you are under-occupying (the bedroom tax) , it should cover everything else, unless heating is included in the rent (heating is not covered by HB/UC) . I'd get the claim in asap.
 
You'll have to claim UC rent element to pay the rent (this is taking over from Housing Benefit) , the amount it pays depends on your income, but they also make a deduction - maybe £17pw if you are under-occupying (the bedroom tax) , it should cover everything else, unless heating is included in the rent (heating is not covered by HB/UC) . I'd get the claim in asap.
But it's telling me that because my most recent payslip is showing company sick pay and SSP therefore full pay(iyswim) i will get turned down
 
also worth bearing in mind that the DWP is not there to help people get the benefits they are entitled to, it's there to try and stop people getting the benefits they are entitled to, by any means possible.

a lot of initial 'no' decisions get overturned on challenge / appeal, but they are hoping people will run out of energy or drop dead before getting that far.

don't let the bastards grind you down.
 
also worth bearing in mind that the DWP is not there to help people get the benefits they are entitled to, it's there to try and stop people getting the benefits they are entitled to, by any means possible.

a lot of initial 'no' decisions get overturned on challenge / appeal, but they are hoping people will run out of energy or drop dead before getting that far.

don't let the bastards grind you down.
Nor is the info people working there give necessarily correct. Often individuals don't understand the rules themselves.
 
mentalchik If you have mental health issues, (wondered if that might be the case, given your username?), Mind mental health charity have some brilliant independent welfare rights advisors. They will let you know what benefits you might be entitled to and can help you submit claims. Or try a law centre, if there's one near you, or Citizens Advice.


Never, ever rely on DWP to let you know what you are/aren't entitled to. Apparently, the law changed back in the 1980s, and whereas previously they had a legal obligation to tell people what their entitlements were, they're now under no legal obligation to do so, only to process whatever claims you submit.

So if, for example, someone submits a claim for Universal Credit, they might just reject that claim, no you're not entitled. They won't say, Sorry, you're not entitled to Universal Credit, but you should apply for 'new style ESA' as you might be entitled to that. So loads of people don't claim what they're entitled to, because they don't know what they could be claiming.

(I experienced this years ago, after I badly broke my wrist. I think I was claiming incapacity benefit and housing benefit back then. After a year, I had to submit another claim to renew my housing benefit. I'd just had more surgery on my wrist and my arm was in a plaster cast again, so I couldn't write, so I went to the welfare rights advisors in the town hall for help filling in the form. When the advisor asked what my income was to write it in the form, and when I replied I received incapacity benefit £x amount, and housing benefit £y amount, they said 'That's not right.' and went off to get a benefits handbook (like an encyclopaedia for benefits), and then he came back and sat down and looked it up and said I should also be getting a disability premium. The DWP wouldn't backdate my claim for a year's worth of disability premium, they would only backdate it for three months, because they said it was my fault for not claiming it. I explained that I'd told them all my circumstances and they hadn't told me to claim it. (It was after this that a benefits advisor from Mind told me about that law change in the 1980s.)

If you're not used to the benefits system and you go into your dealings with it in good faith and expecting them to tell you everything you're entitled to, you'll potentially be very disappointed and miss out on some benefits. Always, always, always have a benefits check-up with an independent welfare rights advisor.

And I hope your medical issues get sorted soon. x
 
Thank you....sorry had a full on major panic attack ( i know it's a tad pathetic but this is all a first for me)....am slightly wary of contacting the HA as am worried they will want me out of my home and in a smaller flat...know that sounds ungrateful but have moved so many times in my life am desperate to stay in my home....i know i'm catastrophysing and today will be fine, have spent the last half hour trying to work out if i can manage going back to work but it seems impossible :(:(:(

OK, first of all, about PIP, it is basically for permanent conditions that affect your ability to look after yourself and get around. It's not connected to work at all. I get PIP and I work full time. You might be eligible - it depends on your diagnosis and how it affects you - but the diagnosis does have to be for something that's not likely to stop in the next year or so.

Govt description that is pretty accurate

Universal Credit has a disability element. It's fairly easy to start a claim for it, and it gets them off your back for a while because they don't ask you to do anything to prove it until you're actually assessed, you just won't get the disability element until you've been assessed (and then it'll be backdated). I get a tiny, tiny amount of UC due to disability - my last assessment was years ago, but my condition is never going to change, and I think maybe they just can't be arsed reassessing me for the sake of pennies a week.

Universal credit is always better starting a claim for sooner rather than later, so it's good that you've started it now. They pay a month in arrears, and pay once a month. It's based on your net income (after tax, NI, and pension payments), so you'll need to upload your payslips. But it adjust very quickly if your income changes. So if you upload your payslips now, maybe you won't get anything this month, but as soon as you get your next payslips and upload them they will adjust your next payment to be higher. The online universal credit website is actually pretty good TBH.

You're not currently eligible for "new-style ESA." That specific phrasing is important. You aren't eligible right now because you're not unemployed - you're still technically employed, and you get Statutory Sick Pay. But it doesn't really matter, because you will be entitled to universal credit. All it means is that, for now at least, you don't need to think about ESA, JSA or anything else, just universal credit.

The govt link

Since you're getting SSP, that will be taken into account as income for UC, so the amount you get will be reduced. But that doesn't mean you get nothing even at basic rate, because you definitely will be eligible for "the housing element of universal credit."

When you apply for universal credit, you basically have to tick the box on the universal credit application form to confirm that you pay rent, and add all the details of your landlord and your rent. It will be a bit simpler with a housing association landlord than private, because they can check it so easily. It will be lower if you have a "spare room." It's 14% if you have one spare bedroom, so if your rent were £150 pw you'd only £129 (£150-£21) and would have to make up the rest out of your universal credit and SSP. Your council might have a facility to apply for a discretionary housing payment for the rest - you might or might not get that, but definitely won't if you don't apply.

Another govt link

That will also be paid in arrears. If you can pay your rent in advance for the next month, that'll help, but the HA really are not going to evict you for being one month behind due to UC payments coming in late. They might send you threatening emails and letters (my HA used to send me letters and emails every single week - and I wasn't even in debt, their systems just took too long to update! I eventually emailed over screenshots showing that - according to the rent account the HA maintain - I was in credit on the dates they claimed I was in debt, and asked them to stop harassing me, and they did), but they would never take you to court because no court would evict you for this cause.

I can understand you not wanting to go to the HA's benefit advice team if you have a spare room. Some HAs can be total arseholes. But if you contact them and tell them you're in the middle of applying for benefits due to being off work sick, they will take that into account when thinking about sending out threatening letters.

Council tax reduction has to be applied for separately. It might be worth phoning the council to ask for help doing that - they can actually be helpful, especially with someone in your situation, and they have teams whose entire job is helping people apply for it.

If you don't have enough to pay ahead a bit on your rent, you might end up a bit behind, but not so much that you'll be at risk of losing your home as long as you do star tgetting the rent paid. Honestly. It's a shitty, shitty system but it's not impossible to use.

In my area, there are benefits advice surgeries run at local libraries, and they might be easier to access than the CAB if your area has something similar. The CAB is very hit or miss, because it's volunteer run, so there might be someone really efficient and well-informed or you might, like I once did, get a trainee lawyer who meant well but made me sit there for half an hour while she confirmed what I'd said about PIP and ESA not being the same thing. So it's worth a try if need be, but don't give up if they can't help you, because they're not the only resource.

I'll help you with the actual application if it would make it easier for you. Anyone would find it hard, especially when they're already ill.
 
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If you don't have enough to pay ahead a bit on your rent, you might end up a bit behind, but not so much that you'll be at risk of losing your home as long as you do star getting the rent paid.

and it's usually worth letting the HA know what's going on (and that you've got a claim in for UC) if you're not going to be able to pay on time, rather than just not pay - they will be used to circumstances like this.
 
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