Naked baby from Nevermind sleeve sues Nirvana for Child Porn

[seeformiles]

Jesus this is getting heavy about what is more a less a guy stated he tried to make a living out of being the baby from the photo and it has not lead to a life of riches

and now he want money to compensate

but heyho

Amen

 

[tim]

I directed you to that link to disprove your claim that the child was shoved into the pool with no accompanying adult.

And I made the point that arms-length accompaniment is not the same as being held if you are a vulnerable baby in a hostile environment.

 

[Athos]

And I made the point that arms-length accompaniment is not the same as being held if you are a vulnerable baby in a hostile environment.

Have you taught many babies to swim?

 

[Reno]

And I made the point that arms-length accompaniment is not the same as being held if you are a vulnerable baby in a hostile environment.

I think you have become so preoccupied with winning the race to the moral high ground, you've lost your grip on reality.

 

[A380]

Have you taught many babies to swim?

Don't forget he is the expert de jour. Baby swimming today, who knows what tomorrow...

 

[planetgeli]

And I made the point that arms-length accompaniment is not the same as being held if you are a vulnerable baby in a hostile environment.

I don't think you have any real idea what vulnerable and hostile mean/entail.

 

[tim]

I think you have become so preoccupied with winning the race to the moral high ground, you've lost your grip on reality.

Better than releasing my grip on a baby in a swimming pool.

 

[tim]

I don't think you have any real idea what vulnerable and hostile mean/entail.

Babies are vulnerable, being unable to fend for themselves. As a four-month-old can neither swim nor breath underwater, I think it's reasonable to consider being in a pool with nobody holding onto you, being in a hostile environment.

Do you really have no qualms about the way this shoot was conducted? Do you think that the child wasn't being exploited?

 

[AverageJoe]

You don't have kids do you. Letting go of your kid in the pool is literally the least of our worries

 

[Athos]

Babies are vulnerable, being unable to fend for themselves. As a four-month-old can neither swim nor breath underwater, I think it's reasonable to consider being in a pool with nobody holding onto you, being in a hostile environment.

Except the way they respond to being submerged suggests that the vast majority of them don't consider it a hostile environment. They seem to enjoy it, plus it's providing them with a potentially life-saving skill.

 

[Yossarian]

Elden lawyer on Day 11 of trial: "For my next witness, I'd like to call Dr. Wendell Reinhardt, an expert in infant reactions to water..."

Defense lawyers: huddle "Judge, we have decided to offer Mr. Elden a generous settlement."

 

[Cid]

Crack squirrels, boat happy, baby swimming is child abuse.

 

[AverageJoe]

Kids literally spend the best part of nine months submerged in a sac of fluid. It's not like it's jew to them.

It's only when they get older they learn the fear.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's not like it's jew to them.

Yeah, alright Jeremy.

 

[spanglechick]

Babies are famously good at communicating if they’re uncomfortable/scared/pissed off.

 

[deeyo]

the thing is, that album cover wasn't about spencer elden at all. hes not really in it. it's a picture of a generic white male baby, could've been anyone.

sure, he was exploited, so was the photographer, the pool boy & the seamstresses of paterson, new jersey who made kcs cardigan. thats capitalism for you.

was he abused? i don't think so. child porn? never.

he was an infant finding out bout the world, never in any danger, his parents nearby.

but he's abused now & ridiculed over the world. this is his 15 minutes of fame.

and i don't think he'll get any money.

 

[tim]

Kids literally spend the best part of nine months submerged in a sac of fluid. It's not like it's jew to them.

It's only when they get older they learn the fear.

In a sack of amniotic fluid, not a chlorinated swimming pool and supplied with oxygen through the umbilical cord.

"Learn the fear": hippy bollocks as is the belief that a four-month-old can swim.

 

[Elpenor]

I wonder if the judge will decide he is only due a penny royalty

 

[danny la rouge]

I wonder if the judge will decide he is only due a penny royalty

Where’s that groan smilie?

Please don’t milk it.

 

[l'Otters]

Babies do not reason that well, so it is improbable that even if the parents were fairly close by, he would have found it reassuring.

This baby was a bit younger than the ones from Mary Ainsworth’s “strange situation” experiments - 12-18 months old, research for attachment theory: iirc those babies were reassured by their parents presence and very upset by their departure.

At four months old are they much less reassured by proximity to their primary caregivers?

 

[BristolEcho]

But whe

I wonder if any harm would’ve been done if the parents had never told him that he was the baby on the cover.

I don’t think naked babies are problematic, perverts will perve - but so will the dinner-lady fetishists fapping to hairnet catalogues or dog fanciers over pictures of pups.

This case touches on a number of issues more pertinent than whether a photo of a naked baby is sexual. There are issues around people paid “day rates” for things that later blow up in popularity without any further payment being obliged.

There are huge issues around how social media sharing means that may, if not most western parents are effectively publishing photos of their too-young-to-consent children, where in the past those images would be passed around in family photo albums.

And there are issues around the cultural promotion of embracing your chance of fifteen minutes of fame because it might lead to bigger things. Underscoring what I’ve read about this young man, seems to be a feeling that he thought all the re-shoots etc would lead to something more or better or at least a sustained level of status for him, when really, being the Nevermind baby is hardly anything, and I’m certain he’d be happier now if nobody had ever made a big deal out of it, or like I say - if he had never known.

I really wanted to write about this in particular but couldn't get it down. There is a lot of blow back against parents now and I can't really blame the younger person. One of the reasons I deleted Fbook was because it had 10 years of my life on it and I thought it was weird. Imagine having your whole life on there?

I also think there are problems with parents being able to use children that can't consent for their own financial gain.

He started doing the reshoots as a kid and perhaps he was encouraged with this, didn't see the harm and as he got older maybe thought he would profit from it. I don't think it affects his current claim.

 

[Ax^]

i think its a bit of insult to people in the states who have real problems with sexual abuse

that this guy and his lawyer have thought up a plan to grift money from people for claiming it was


he should get some cash out of the picture but this is a bit of a dodgy route to use

 

[8ball]

i think its a bit of insult to people in the states who have real problems with sexual abuse

that this guy and his lawyer have thought up a plan to grift money from people for claiming it was


he should get some cash out of the picture but this is a bit of a dodgy route to use

Late capitalism in nihilism shocker.

 

[AverageJoe]

Yeah, alright Jeremy.

As typos go, that was a whopper wasn't it.

It was of course, meant to say "new"!

 

[killer b]

There is a lot of blow back against parents now

The whole 'blame the parents' angle is ridiculous too though - they were just some mates of the photographer, basically doing it for a laugh - no-one involved had any idea the cultural weight this image would end up having.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Rights and wrongs aside, would anyone even know this guy was the Nirvana baby if he didn't go round telling people?

 

[mojo pixy]

I wonder if the judge will decide he is only due a penny royalty

Please don’t milk it.

If he hadn't been a son, and this was about a girl, it'd be all apologies by now...

 

[A380]

Better than releasing my grip on a baby in a swimming pool.

These monsters are trying to kill off their customer base!!

https://www.pampers.co.uk/baby/activities/article/baby-swimming

And yes landfill, and yes we used washable for ours….

 

[Red Cat]

I really wanted to write about this in particular but couldn't get it down. There is a lot of blow back against parents now and I can't really blame the younger person. One of the reasons I deleted Fbook was because it had 10 years of my life on it and I thought it was weird. Imagine having your whole life on there?

I also think there are problems with parents being able to use children that can't consent for their own financial gain.

He started doing the reshoots as a kid and perhaps he was encouraged with this, didn't see the harm and as he got older maybe thought he would profit from it. I don't think it affects his current claim.

Young people blame their parents for everything, until we're about 50.