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hiraethified
Not in such vast numbers, though.
My Fathers Place on Coldharbour Lane to become a cocktail bar
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Mind you, "new bars and clientele" doesn't necessarily mean an end to fighting in CHL, just that it'll be a different set of drunks having fisticuffs.
That's no doubt true, but the fighting conducted by middle class white hipsters tends to be more of the "Are you looking at my bird? You spilled my pint! I'm too drunk to know what I'm doing..." variety rather than the stuff that spills over from estate wars and gang retaliations and drug wars, which is more of the CHL/local stuff. I suspect that there will be less gun & knife crime and fewer retaliatory-rape stuff amongst the white hipster crowd.
I am NOT - Urban, please note - I AM NOT saying that one is better than the other, nor that the violence as a symptom of local social malaise will be addressed or solved by gentrification.
Does anyone know what the mugging and street-theft crime numbers are and how those compare with pre-incomer rates of street crime? Are the hipsters getting mugged in greater numbers?
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hiraethified
Coldharbour Lane late at night has depressingly become more or less the same as any other town centre now - loads of drunk lads shouting, girls on the floor crying about something or another, lager-addled numbskulls squaring up to each other, people too drunk to stand, and vast pools of puke splattering the pavement at regular intervals.
Oh and more blokes pissing against walls, door, trees, bins than ever before.
Oh and more blokes pissing against walls, door, trees, bins than ever before.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
This reminds me of complaints at the Brixton Area Forum (or whatever it was called at the time) meetings in the late 90s! And the finger wagging cries of "...and it's getting worse!"
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
It was ever thus: classical literature abounds with stern Romans lamenting the ways of the young.
cuppa tee
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Hero of Switzerland.......
rumour has it that duels are becoming more common on hackney marshes in the early hours.
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hiraethified
I've no idea about any of that but if you ask anyone who's lived in the area for any length of time, they'll tell you the same story: things have changed considerably in the last couple of years.
I imagine the pissing problem has been seriously exasperated by the profusion of all those trendy, toilet-free venues in the Village and thereabouts.
cuppa tee
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and also increased bladder pressure from wearing skinny jeans,
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Like I said - people have been complaining about if for ever. We used to have to get the council to jet wash Tunstall Road on weekends. They installed the pop up pissor to try to alleviate the pissing in Electric Avenue. McDonalds was convinced to join a scheme providing public toilets. All of this was to deal with the huge waves of piss flooding through Brixton at night on weekends. Busy night-life has its consequences - noise, litter, pissing blah blah blah. Maybe you used to be closeted from it down CHL.
Welcome to the centre of Brixton - where young folk come to party.
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hiraethified
I'm talking about the changes in the past ten years in Coldharbour Lane. I haven't been "closeted" from anything. The street has had all sorts of problems over the years - some of them have been far worse than pissing - and there is no question that it has changed substantially late at night. It's far, far busier for starters.
TruXta
tired
Busier would be better in many people's books, especially women having to walk down there at night I reckon.
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hiraethified
Not so great for women when it's full of drunk men pissing against walls, throwing bottles and starting fights, I fancy. I've seen more than a few being leered at by drunken laaaads along Coldharbour Lane late at night.
TruXta
tired
Whatever.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
He's right in fairness. I've always felt very safe on the streets in Brixton, but in the last year I've been hassled more than even when there was a posse of crack dealers regularly by my flat. Same goes for quite a few female friends I've spoken to about it. Only on Fridays and Saturdays though. It's usually fine the rest of the week.
TruXta
tired
Well, I've heard the opposite, that some people, not just women, prefer a busier street to a quiet street. When we lived on Sudbourne Rd my OH would rather go up Acre Lane in the evening/night than SBR because she felt safer there due to more people being around. TBH I'd feel the same.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
It's not the number of people that's a problem. I like her prefer it busy safety wise. It's the attitude and the hassle of the people.
TruXta
tired
Fair enough.
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hiraethified
Yep. Weekends are awful and far worse than they've ever been. 4am on Coldharbour Lane is a horrendous vision to behold.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
We could just be getting older.
happyshopper
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I think you are getting your demographic categories/stereotypes mixed up. Where I come from the the middle class would would give a slight cough, make an excuse and leave.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
er, how's that then
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Well that's certainly not the Village crowd.
I have to say I'm kind of relieved that the focus appears to have shifted down your way - but sorry you have to put up with it. It has quietened down loads in my street since Mass and Babalou faltered and closed. Fridge Bar hardly ever seems to be open any more and even Mango has gone now - though that caused little more than a few late night shrieks (at least I guess that is where people were coming form around 3am). The crowd going to and from Hoot can be a bit noisy but the venue is far enough a way that it doesn't bother me.
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hiraethified
No, some most certainly are. I often see some coming out of the Village and heading to the Dogstar queue or into the Market House etc etc.
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hiraethified
That's certainly one way to dismiss the points out of hand.
Ms T
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I'm far too old to be even awake at 4 am voluntarily....
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