Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[irf520]

68% of residents..

8 out of 10 cats ...

 

[bimble]

76% of all statistics..

 

[critical1]

8 out of 10 cats ...

who's cats?

 

[bimble]

There's an actual consultation on these new ideas, like on the actual 'consultations' page of the Lambeth website!
Closing day is Sunday.
Ruskin Park to Kennington Park Greenway - Phase 1 | Lambeth Council

But it is just yes or no; 'do you support this idea yes or no' .
No comment boxes, whatsoever.

 

[critical1]

Here's a bit of fun for the modal shifters and statisticians amongst us ( teuchter )
Little article in Graun today by someone who has done his time at the side of the road..
Cycling on Vauxhall Bridge: a 'liar' claim and a few damned statistics

Vauxhall Bridge is or was a bit of a nightmare in the past, pleased to see they have somehow sorted it out for the time being...
Bimble Gordon Grove by the bridge is a scene of many a London Gangland movie, it's a wonder more real life heinous crimes have not occurred there.

 

[critical1]

There's an actual consultation on these new ideas, like on the actual 'consultations' page of the Lambeth website!
Closing day is Sunday.
Ruskin Park to Kennington Park Greenway - Phase 1 | Lambeth Council

But it is just yes or no; 'do you support this idea yes or no' .
No comment boxes, whatsoever.

What would you expect from Lambeth... a proper consultation?
At least they now ask for your post code & I do like this question:
Which of these activities best describes your employment status at present? Don't Know

 

[irf520]

who's cats?

Evil looking vampire cat

 

[irf520]

There's an actual consultation on these new ideas, like on the actual 'consultations' page of the Lambeth website!
Closing day is Sunday.
Ruskin Park to Kennington Park Greenway - Phase 1 | Lambeth Council

But it is just yes or no; 'do you support this idea yes or no' .
No comment boxes, whatsoever.

You know how the saying goes - "If I wanted your opinion, I would have asked for it". What would they want comments for? That's just complicating the issue.

 

[bimble]

What would you expect from Lambeth... a proper consultation?
At least they now ask for your post code & I do like this question:
Which of these activities best describes your employment status at present? Don't Know

I quite enjoy clicking 'don't know' on their ethnicity pages, which take up half the space on their questionnaires.

 

[critical1]

I read with interest today The Guardian article about Cressingham Gardens, makes for interesting reading in light of how the consultation was illegal by the courts...
Lambeth wanted to demolish our homes. We said that was illegal - and we were right

On 24 November, the high court found Lambeth council had acted unlawfully when it removed three options from a public consultation over plans to redevelop the Cressingham Gardens estate in Lambeth, south London.

Since 2012, Lambeth has been trying to demolish 300 homes for redevelopment. Last November, the council started a consultation process with tenants on how to regenerate the estate. But four months later, the refurbishment options were taken out of the consultation, leaving options involving just full or part demolition of our homes.

So much jiggery pokery with Lambeth I'm surprised that Lambeth Cllrs haven't resigned yet!

 

[Gramsci]

It doesn't surprise me that a large number of cyclists are still riding on the road. There are a couple of videos on youtube of people riding the new cycle route for the first time and in the comments there are complaints about the places where you have to cross the road.

Using that one now. Going up from Oval.

Coming from Wandsworth/ Nine Elms you do have to go across and join the new cycle route.

Not a real problem. Why some cyclists aren’t using I dont really understand. As north of Vauxhall Bridge going towards Victoria on the cycle route means one does not have to get through that big junction. The cycle route bypasses it and its a lot safer that way.

Some of my more gung ho cycling acquaintances like the adrenalin rush of being in traffic and arent enthusiastic about the new highways for that reason.

Agree that design does not seem to be affecting motorised traffic. Partly as cycle route is on the old bus lane southbound. So no new space is taken up.

 

[Gramsci]

Meanwhile, Lambeth has something new for us to argue about:

www.lambeth.gov.uk/consultations/ruskin-park-to-kennington-park-greenway-phase-1

This is alternative to closing off roads. Imo should be taken seriously as possibility for Loughborough road. LJ. Actually contains some of ideas that LadyV have mentioned in relation to LJ.

 

[Gramsci]

Here's a bit of fun for the modal shifters and statisticians amongst us ( teuchter )
Little article in Graun today by someone who has done his time at the side of the road..
Cycling on Vauxhall Bridge: a 'liar' claim and a few damned statistics

Hill has never been much of a supporter of cycle lanes.

To my suprise he supports the closing off of Bank to traffic except cyclists and buses. A much more radical proposal considering its a main route for traffic going north/ south and West/ east though the city.

 

[Gramsci]

There's an actual consultation on these new ideas, like on the actual 'consultations' page of the Lambeth website!
Closing day is Sunday.
Ruskin Park to Kennington Park Greenway - Phase 1 | Lambeth Council

But it is just yes or no; 'do you support this idea yes or no' .
No comment boxes, whatsoever.

There are "greenway" routes in London. I use a few around Oval and Kennington.

For those who aren’t keen on the busy main roads they are an alternative. They take a bit of finding and working out. For some reason not that well sign posted. Though marked on TFL cycling maps
Which are free and worth getting.

Quietways are being promoted by TFL:

Linking key destinations, they will follow backstreet routes, through parks, along waterways or tree-lined streets.

The routes will overcome barriers to cycling, targeting cyclists who want to use quieter, low-traffic routes, providing an environment for those cyclists who want to travel at a more gentle pace.

Each Quietway will provide a continuous route for cyclists and every London borough will benefit from the programme.

The context in my perusal of TFL website is Boris "Vision for Cycling"

Which I dont have a problem with despite him being a Tory.

 

[bimble]

Bimble Gordon Grove by the bridge is a scene of many a London Gangland movie, it's a wonder more real life heinous crimes have not occurred there.

I didn't mean to joke about it. I'm sure that some people feel really unsafe walking there at night and that is not good. But, it will have been chosen by those film makers for its atmosphere, because where else in London has that moody look these days. And also, the heinous crime that happened here in the Summer happened in the middle of Flaxman Road in broad daylight - city planning for crime prevention is not something I'm a fan of in general.

 

[critical1]

Just heard that allegedly the illustrious Town Planner George Wright does not work for Lambeth apparently he's a consultant paid by CAPITA, this is the age of the consultant within Lambeth (private consultant) says a lot about impartiality and transparency, I wonder if LJAG knew about this as they now appear to be very silent.

 

[CH1]

Just heard that allegedly the illustrious Town Planner George Wright does not work for Lambeth apparently he's a consultant paid by CAPITA, this is the age of the consultant within Lambeth (private consultant) says a lot about impartiality and transparency, I wonder if LJAG knew about this as they now appear to be very silent.

I think it highly unlikely that George Wright is a Capita person. He is not doing parking fines.

Unfortunately GW does not appear to be a user of LinkedIn so we don't have it from the horse's mouth. But that in itself makes it less likely he is agency staff. He has certainly been around Lambeth Transport planning a long time (since 1995 approx).

Why don't you do an FOI instead of speculating mischievously?

 

[Beasley]

In emails he signs himself:
Project Manager, Capital Delivery Team, London Borough of Lambeth.

Could there be some confusion between Capita and Capital?

 

[CH1]

In emails he signs himself:
Project Manager, Capital Delivery Team, London Borough of Lambeth.
Could there be some confusion between Capita and Capital?

This job seems to be in the same department - and the JD is a masterpiece of NOT saying what is is all about:
http://www.jobsgopublic.com/job/business-support-officer-capital-delivery-team-llh0387/rss

 

[bimble]

This is relevant to 'Loughborough Junction Public Space "Improvements" so I'm going to double post it:


I'm very concerned that 'regeneration' here means what was proposed in several of the Masterplan Drawings:

The total removal of the existing (beautiful handmade imaginative) adventure playground on Gordon Grove and the construction of some version of a playground in Elam street Open Space (the dogwalking area opposite) instead, So that the land where the playground now stands can be developed into flats.

Please come if you can - at a few hours notice in the middle of a weekday afternoon.

 

[Beasley]

This may also provide an opportunity to discuss the highway alterations proposed for the Cycle Greenway scheme that is presently the subject of a very brief and virtually secret consultation with no proper documentation or map to show the overall route.

As for this short section, in my view the park is too small and it's paths too narrow for shared use by cyclists and pedestrians. A more suitable cycle and pedestrian route would be on the footpath between the park and the flats.

If that were correct then the pavement alterations proposed for Gorden Grove and Lilford Road would appear to be in the wrong places but as far as I am aware the matter has never been publicly discussed.

 

[Beasley]

For info, the council has just emailed 'interested parties' regarding the Loughborough Junction and Myatt’s Field experimental road closures.

An update report on the scheme will be a minor item on the agenda of the next Overview and Scrutiny Committee meeting at 7pm in Streatham Library on 9 December:

Agenda for Overview and Scrutiny Committee on Wednesday 9 December 2015, 7.00 pm | Lambeth Council

 

[bimble]

All I've got is the latest edition of Lambeth's completely bizarre newsletter thing.
http://sut6.co.uk/l/c.php?c=17118&ct=254415&si=41321208&u

 

[irf520]

This is relevant to 'Loughborough Junction Public Space "Improvements" so I'm going to double post it:

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I'm very concerned that 'regeneration' here means what was proposed in several of the Masterplan Drawings:

The total removal of the existing (beautiful handmade imaginative) adventure playground on Gordon Grove and the construction of some version of a playground in Elam street Open Space (the dogwalking area opposite) instead, So that the land where the playground now stands can be developed into flats.

Please come if you can - at a few hours notice in the middle of a weekday afternoon.

Problem is, if you look at it from the bean counters' perspective:

Adventure playground - upfront cost to refurbish plus ongoing cost for maintenance and staffing (if that is required).
Flats - upfront lump sum payment when they sell land to developers, plus guaranteed X amount per year in council tax.

If you're a bean counter, what's not to like about flats?

 

[bimble]

 

[irf520]

What's that for? Did you go to the meeting?

 

[bimble]

What's that for? Did you go to the meeting?

yep. I'll try to be more eloquent about it tomorrow .

 

[CH1]

What's that for? Did you go to the meeting?

I went out of curiosity. The event was strictly to do with the adventure playground and seemed a bit disorganised.
I just wanted to see what the facilities were, so I had a quick dekho - pleased to meet bimble.
Met Cllr Matt Parr at the adventure playground entrance on my way out - so pleased to say at least one ward councillor turned up for the event.
Maybe bimble will have more tomorrow.

 

[bimble]

Does anybody have a link to a recent incarnation of the LJ masterplan please?
Lambeth website says it's supposed to be all finalised and consulted by now but there's no actual information apart from this :
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/pl-loughborough-junction-masterplan-booklet-2015-2.pdf

 

[Crispy]

Of great interest to readers of this thread will be the new book "Urban Transport Without the Hot Air: Volume 1: Sustainable Solutions for UK Cities"
A thoroughly evidence-based analysis of how best to move people goods around large cities.

Overview/review here: Urban Transport Without the Hot Air: confusing the issue with relevant facts!

Standout paragraph (emphasis mine):

The problem with faster, cheaper public transport on its own is that it primarily substitutes for walking and cycling, not driving. Only disincentives for driving, such as "permeable" one-way systems that let buses/trams, pedestrians and cyclists get around faster than private vehicles; high-cost, limited parking; and similar measures can be shown to consistently reduce the number of trips taken by drivers.

teuchter, you are Steve Melia and I claim my £5