Looking for a cleaner Euro 6 diesel cars for under £10k

[stowpirate]

As from 1st Jan 2015 all new cars must conform to Euro 6 clean air standards? I already have an interest in one that conforms to Euro 5 standard and will possibly be modified soon to Euro 6 standard. I need an Estate car with a full specification - Sat Nav, Air Con etc for around £10k. The one I might go for is the Romanian Renault Dacia Logan if still available after 1st Jan 2015. I have already had a test drive and was surprised.

99 CO2g/km and up to 80mpg for £10,795

http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/logan-mcv/

Anybody have any other ideas on a Euro 6 throw away car?

 

[Ted Striker]

Kudos to anyone on Urban who got past "Looking for a cleaner" without dusting off out their 'Cleaner-gate' ammo

 

[Chz]

Renault/Nissan are actually focusing on direct-injection, turbocharged petrol engines for their future economy cars. Euro 6 on a diesel is a bit expensive for a cheap car. It's a bit silly, because doing that to a petrol engine just makes it more polluting in return for the better fuel economy. It just tries to behave like a diesel then. There's no such thing as a free lunch, I guess.

 

[mauvais]

Can you explain your requirements? i.e. why diesel, why Euro6?

 

[stowpirate]

Can you explain your requirements? i.e. why diesel, why Euro6?

Euro 6 is the next clean air standard that will influence pollution/congestion charges in city/town centres. So anybody buying a new car needs to make sure it is to the new incoming Euro 6 standards or face higher congestion charges, or even not being able to take your car into town in the near future. London is already talking about hitting older cars with higher charges and complete ban on some types. A lot of EU cities are well ahead of us on the road to cleaner air. My requirements are zero tax low CO2, good mpg, enough room for two adults, two dogs and holiday luggage. The reason diesel is must be capable of very long motorway journeys typicaly 500-1000 miles in a day with at least 60+mpg. Performance is not really an issue as long as it is relaxed at motorway/autobahn speeds. Obviously cost is the biggest issue.

http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/san...4f2dbd91bb7155f3ae16/DaciaSanderoBrochure.pdf

Drove a Dacia Sandero Diesel the other day which as it now stands conforms to Euro 5. That fully equiped in zero tax form costs £9,795. No doubt very soon a Euro 6 version will be available. The problem is it might be a tad on the small side however very refined and solid at motorway speeds. There are some 1 litre turbo three cylinder cars that also look good but double the price.

 

[mauvais]

In that case, I think you might be unpleasantly surprised before very long, as the metropolitan witch-hunt against older emissions standard vehicles is fairly likely to morph into one against all diesels.

Never mind the trip distance, how many miles a year?

 

[stowpirate]

Renault/Nissan are actually focusing on direct-injection, turbocharged petrol engines for their future economy cars. Euro 6 on a diesel is a bit expensive for a cheap car. It's a bit silly, because doing that to a petrol engine just makes it more polluting in return for the better fuel economy. It just tries to behave like a diesel then. There's no such thing as a free lunch, I guess.

We seem to be in a period where diesel are going out of favour so might go for petrol.

 

[stowpirate]

In that case, I think you might be unpleasantly surprised before very long, as the metropolitan witch-hunt against older emissions standard vehicles is fairly likely to morph into one against all diesels.

Never mind the trip distance, how many miles a year?

Euro 6 I think is going to be key in any future witch-hunt? 12k+ this year, possibly as much as 20k next year.

 

[mauvais]

Euro 6 I think is going to be key in any future witch-hunt? 12k+ this year, possibly as much as 20k next year.

AFAIK, Paris and more recently London have made murmurings about total bans on diesel cars. Could be a load of arse.

Anyway.

Let's say you do the full 20k miles a year. Let's say petrol and diesel are £1.24 and £1.29 respectively, as they seemed to be here the other day.

Take the Sandero as an example, and use the comedy manufacturer figures, which gives 56.5mpg out of a petrol and 74.3mpg out of a diesel. Ho ho ho.

Petrol costs £1993 a year, diesel £1576. Seems like a lot, but it takes you over two years just to pay off the £1000 extra cost of the diesel car. Plus whatever you later spend fixing DPF issues and whatever else.

 

[stowpirate]

AFAIK, Paris and more recently London have made murmurings about total bans on diesel cars. Could be a load of arse.

Anyway.

Let's say you do the full 20k miles a year. Let's say petrol and diesel are £1.24 and £1.29 respectively, as they seemed to be here the other day.

Take the Sandero as an example, and use the comedy manufacturer figures, which gives 56.5mpg out of a petrol and 74.3mpg out of a diesel. Ho ho ho.

Petrol costs £1993 a year, diesel £1576. Seems like a lot, but it takes you over two years just to pay off the £1000 extra cost of the diesel car. Plus whatever you later spend fixing DPF issues and whatever else.

It does depend on how you drive. Sometimes those comedy figures are more or less correct. I can get nearly 70mpg on a long journey in UK. On one trip to wales I was pushing nearly 80mpg. Not so much on the Autobahn but still around 60mpg. It is all about knowing when to take your foot off throttle and never use the brakes. Seriously that is the most important issue in economy driving. It should be unusual for you to ever touch them to the point that you know when you hit the pedal and think next time I will try harder. Also turn engine off when stationary. Coast down hill and all that nonsense. Keep to speed limits even if it annoys all the idiots behind that wants to speed at 50mph in 30mph built up areas.

 

[mauvais]

Is that from the computer or measured at the pump by brimming the tank? I'd be fairly surprised if you got that without some fairly extreme hypermiling technique.

 

[friedaweed]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Encrusted-with-1-Million-Crystals-MERCEDES-BENZ-CLS-350-/291261254042

Not sure what the mileage is like

 

[stowpirate]

Is that from the computer or measured at the pump by brimming the tank? I'd be fairly surprised if you got that without some fairly extreme hypermiling technique.

Thats pump and notebook calculations.