Labour leadership

[Pickman's model]

could be rubbish.

but what do you think?

 

[weltweit]

Please can someone explain that picture now because it's annoying me not knowing.

The picture is of "The Bullingdon Club" an Oxbridge dining club for rich students, David Cameron and Boris Johnston are in that photo. Google Search "The Bullingdon Club" to see the original.

 

[treelover]

It doesn't look like Corbyn is having one last major mass rally in London before the vote, not wanting to show hubris, etc?

Some one just posted we may be in the new 'Jezz Age'!

 

[friendofdorothy]

Yippee! I've cast my vote, for leader and deputy.

Also for London mayoral candidate, which took me by surprise as I wasn't expecting to have to do that at the same time and I hadn't heard of most of the candidates.

 

[DotCommunist]

It doesn't look like Corbyn is having one last major mass rally in London before the vote, not wanting to show hubris, etc?

Some one just posted we may be in the new 'Jezz Age'!

jizzage

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Looks like it's a JC win with Burnham coming second going by the bookies and polls.

 

[treelover]

dream team then...

 

[treelover]

A confession: I didn’t originally want a ‘left’ candidate in the Labour leadership election. My view was that, in the midst of general post-election demoralisation, a left candidate could end up being crushed. Such a result would be used by both the Labour party establishment and the British right generally to perform the last rites of the left, dismiss us as irrelevant, and tell us to shut up forever. I originally toyed with starting a campaign to enlist Lisa Nandy, the straight-talking ‘soft left’ Wigan MP, but she had just given birth, so that wasn’t going to happen. [https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/600625839231893505] The Shadow Cabinet minister Jon Trickett was originally approached by several people asking him to stand: for the reasons above, I suggested it was bad idea. Instead we began brainstorming a ‘Not The Labour Leadership’ tour alongside a presumably dispiriting leadership contest with three candidates dancing on the head of a pin, with the aim of helping to rebuild a grassroots movement.

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/my-...-overcoming-formidable-obstacles-de81d4449884

Owen Jones's 'honest' thoughts on JC, quite revealing

 

[treelover]

Popular appeal cannot be won by simply focusing on issues that affect those at the bottom of society. Yes, we desperately need policies that transform the lives of the one in five workers who earn less than a living wage; people who lack an affordable home; disabled people having their benefits cut away; those suffering from the bedroom tax; and so on. And yes, one of the main aims of a Corbyn-led campaign will be to mobilise, inspire, political engage poorer people who are significantly less likely to vote. But empathy for the worst affected alone will never win an election. Jeremy has begun outlining policies to support self-employed people and entrepreneurs, as well as expanding home ownership without flogging off social housing. This has to be built on, with a direct appeal to both middle-income and middle-class people that goes beyond being asked to empathise for the poorest people in society.

Mmm, he may be right but seeing it in print, this is what the other candidates are saying, is Owen sniffing power?

 

[DotCommunist]

Mmm, he may be right but seeing it in print, this is what the other candidates are saying, is Owen sniffing power?

no its just a very old labour tendency-christ a trot tendency as well- to admit that the petite bourgoise must be won to the cause as well because in theory the prole dem lack the muscle to take power directly and then weather the opprobrium and outright resistance from an angry and resentful lower middle class.

 

[treelover]

reading his article, it seems like he is setting out his stall as a back room strategist, some surprising stuff on identity and immigration, etc.

 

[treelover]

One thing Corbyn could do on identity, patriotism, is reframe the debate so the Tories can be identified as the global corporate asset strippers, with no real concern for this country.

 

[Pickman's model]

One thing Corbyn could do on identity, patriotism, is reframe the debate so the Tories can be identified as the global corporate asset strippers, with no real concern for this country.

the global corporate asset strippers? there was me thinking they were a uk political party and not e.g. kpmg, pwc

 

[19sixtysix]

Not got your Ballot yet?

Check your email and/or
see here www.labour.org.uk/page/s/not-received-your-ballot-in-the-post

 

[Dogsauce]

Popular appeal cannot be won by simply focusing on issues that affect those at the bottom of society. Yes, we desperately need policies that transform the lives of the one in five workers who earn less than a living wage;

One other factor in this is that a lot that are earning below the living wage won't have the right to vote, immigrant workers don't get a GE vote, which is possibly one of the reasons the neo-lib parties are keen on them. You can vote in locals, but you need citizenship to vote in the GE. There are millions of disenfranchised workers out there. The gf has been here seven years paying taxes and a mortgage but wasn't able to vote in the GE.

(don't interpret this as me thinking taxes earn you a right to vote or anything else, just framing it in the terms that this issue is normally discussed in)

 

[Belushi]

Despite Corbyn having absolutely fuck all to do with it, Boris Johnson is blaming him for London Underground's failure to introduce the night tube on time Boris Johnson blames failure to bring in night Tube on Jeremy Corbyn

 

[gosub]

Despite Corbyn having absolutely fuck all to do with it, Boris Johnson is blaming him for London Underground's failure to introduce the night tube on time Boris Johnson blames failure to bring in night Tube on Jeremy Corbyn

The scrabbling fuck wit. Makes Osborne' Faslane statement yesterday look like tactical genius. Amazing how far and fast Johnson's star has fallen (til you look at the man)

 

[Sifta]

No 10 accepts Electoral Commission's call for new EU referendum question - Politics live

Boris Johnson's LBC phone-in

He denied receiving a text from David Cameron telling him to “fucking shut up”.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Been away from the interwebz for a while now but if you genuinely think that David Miliband would have been less effective than his ridiculously hapless brother and then, beyond that, think that Corbyn could do better and actually win, then you are a prize moron marked by stunning stupidity.

Rather than ranting, why not make your case? Isn't that what lawyers are supposed to be good at?

 

[ViolentPanda]

why though? do you think he couldn't actually win? I don't see why not. The man has proved capable hands for a very long time, this isn't some newly minted firebrand (lol) nor is he advocating anything incredibly radical. Its a mark of how well you swallowed all the right wing rhetoric that you've called him hard left in the past, he is not hard left in any way at all. Stop reading papers and start listening to people. Cos there is a lot of them nodding along thoughtfully to corbynite ideas (which aren't his but merely a continuation of old labs keynsian stuff)

Ever get the feeling that Diamond had plans to go the new Labour/Progress route to a political career?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Rather than ranting, why not make your case? Isn't that what lawyers are supposed to be good at?

tbf he probably has a point about the Millibands. The other brother may well have done better.

However, it's odd to link that to Corbyn. Does Diamond think Ed was left-wing in some way?

 

[maomao]

Ever get the feeling that Diamond had plans to go the new Labour/Progress route to a political career?

Don't know about that, though he's a big enough dick, but he certainly seems to have an emotional attachment to a system that allows public schoolboys of low to middling ability to get into law school and then straight into a cushty number at a 'magic circle' law firm.

 

[andysays]

...Does Diamond think Ed was left-wing in some any vaguely coherent way?

CFY (the answer is "No", BTW)

 

[ViolentPanda]

tbf he probably has a point about the Millibands. The other brother may well have done better.

Based on...? The only difference between the two is that (partly due to starting to climb the greasy pole earlier) Miliband. D was Foreign Secretary (and a singularly-undistinguished one),whereas Miliband. E was "Energy & Climate Change" Minister. Performance-wise, there was barely a fag paper between them.

However, it's odd to link that to Corbyn. Does Diamond think Ed was left-wing in some way?

He seems to.

 

[J Ed]

Based on...? The only difference between the two is that (partly due to starting to climb the greasy pole earlier) Miliband. D was Foreign Secretary (and a singularly-undistinguished one),whereas Miliband. E was "Energy & Climate Change" Minister. Performance-wise, there was barely a fag paper between them.

He was further to the right of his brother and a Blairite so the press wouldn't have gone after him half as much. Whether that would have made much of a difference, and whether that wouldn't have also (further) suppressed traditional Labour turnout are two questions we will never know.

 

[J Ed]

 

[8115]

All the candidates on C4 news (C4 +1 atm).

 

[8115]

Andy Burnham seems really pissed off, I don't think this leadership election is going the way he wanted it to.

 

[friendofdorothy]

Looks like it's a JC win with Burnham coming second going by the bookies and polls.

and its only a few weeks ago that people on this thread thought Corbyn didn't didn't have any hope at all. How things change.

 

[8115]

All the candidates are all managing to sit around and talk and debate, gives me some hope for Labour unity.